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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Actually, it's @symbols link that may be a day old. The path of links extends further than a day. Time is multi-linear in social networks.
Social networks are indeed important in automation. Like now robotics is gaining prominence and use. Robots and cybernetic organisms will enhance solutions to life's conditions.
New ethics. The creation of automatons. Who will make decisions now? Perhaps we should begin by looking at how humans are changing, what opportunities are emerging, threats, then a morality can be crafted interactively.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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@tycho - Are you for total population control?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? Reading about these techniques and strategies by the NSA and others serve to give me insights about social networks. So far, the argument you seem to be presenting is equivalent to 'people shouldn't own property because robbers abound'. You are putting words, arguments, in my mouth. Forcing, even. However, I relish and savor the concession that indeed you are now getting insights about social networks - that you were most likely unaware of earlier. My point. I had actually read about these links earlier, and my posts so far had been informed by them. Then look at the thread's title: what's it about? About ignorance, there's plenty of ignorance surrounding me, that's how I get my work. At least I know this. Ok. Though this particular link is hardly 24 hours old. Anyway, back to topic. Yes, the sociology and anthropology of social media. Total population control. The creation of automatons. Actually, it's @symbols link that may be a day old. The path of links extends further than a day. Time is multi-linear in social networks. Social networks are indeed important in automation. Like now robotics is gaining prominence and use. Robots and cybernetic organisms will enhance solutions to life's conditions. ‘No joke’: Germany mulls using typewriters to combat US snooping
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? Reading about these techniques and strategies by the NSA and others serve to give me insights about social networks. So far, the argument you seem to be presenting is equivalent to 'people shouldn't own property because robbers abound'. You are putting words, arguments, in my mouth. Forcing, even. However, I relish and savor the concession that indeed you are now getting insights about social networks - that you were most likely unaware of earlier. My point. I had actually read about these links earlier, and my posts so far had been informed by them. Then look at the thread's title: what's it about? About ignorance, there's plenty of ignorance surrounding me, that's how I get my work. At least I know this. Ok. Though this particular link is hardly 24 hours old. Anyway, back to topic. Yes, the sociology and anthropology of social media. Total population control. The creation of automatons. Actually, it's @symbols link that may be a day old. The path of links extends further than a day. Time is multi-linear in social networks. Social networks are indeed important in automation. Like now robotics is gaining prominence and use. Robots and cybernetic organisms will enhance solutions to life's conditions. ‘No joke’: Germany mulls using typewriters to combat US snooping Unplugging oneself from the matrix is the best thing one will ever do for himself.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. All existence is illusion - is it an absolute? some illusions are given more importance than others - is it a relative?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. All existence is illusion - is it an absolute? some illusions are given more importance than others - is it a relative? Unless we want to redefine the word 'absolute' - which I take to mean 'final' - I maintain that our Universe, as it is set up, does not permit absolutes. You create many, many illusions every day, just like an artist creates many paintings, some of which she values more than others. That is all I meant. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? Reading about these techniques and strategies by the NSA and others serve to give me insights about social networks. So far, the argument you seem to be presenting is equivalent to 'people shouldn't own property because robbers abound'. You are putting words, arguments, in my mouth. Forcing, even. However, I relish and savor the concession that indeed you are now getting insights about social networks - that you were most likely unaware of earlier. My point. I had actually read about these links earlier, and my posts so far had been informed by them. Then look at the thread's title: what's it about? About ignorance, there's plenty of ignorance surrounding me, that's how I get my work. At least I know this. Ok. Though this particular link is hardly 24 hours old. Anyway, back to topic. Yes, the sociology and anthropology of social media. Total population control. The creation of automatons. Actually, it's @symbols link that may be a day old. The path of links extends further than a day. Time is multi-linear in social networks. Social networks are indeed important in automation. Like now robotics is gaining prominence and use. Robots and cybernetic organisms will enhance solutions to life's conditions. ‘No joke’: Germany mulls using typewriters to combat US snooping Unplugging oneself from the matrix is the best thing one will ever do for himself. Russia did it first. But this doesn't mean no networks, or unplugging.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. Your conclusion on 'my' premises? Then my conclusion if I were to extend my argument would show control as true! Therefore, if there's no prior unity, arguments can neither be made nor understanding fostered.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. Your conclusion on 'my' premises? Then my conclusion if I were to extend my argument would show control as true! Therefore, if there's no prior unity, arguments can neither be made nor understanding fostered. Extending 'your' argument could still lead to 'my' conclusion on 'your' premises. What greater unity could there be than using the same premises? There is no deeper understanding than this. Intimate divergence.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:
Russia did it first. But this doesn't mean no networks, or unplugging.
Going back in to the matrix to 'awaken' the sleepers therein is logical. Of course safeguards, such as Wazua reasonably affords, are ok.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. Your conclusion on 'my' premises? Then my conclusion if I were to extend my argument would show control as true! Therefore, if there's no prior unity, arguments can neither be made nor understanding fostered. Extending 'your' argument could still lead to 'my' conclusion on 'your' premises. What greater unity could there be than using the same premises? There is no deeper understanding than this. Intimate divergence. Good. Now extend my premise and prove your conclusion. Please restate my premises, add your own then conclude. So that we can make a practical comparison.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Russia did it first. But this doesn't mean no networks, or unplugging.
Going back in to the matrix to 'awaken' the sleepers therein is logical. Of course safeguards, such as Wazua reasonably affords, are ok. What safeguards does wazua provide?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. Your conclusion on 'my' premises? Then my conclusion if I were to extend my argument would show control as true! Therefore, if there's no prior unity, arguments can neither be made nor understanding fostered. Extending 'your' argument could still lead to 'my' conclusion on 'your' premises. What greater unity could there be than using the same premises? There is no deeper understanding than this. Intimate divergence. Good. Now extend my premise and prove your conclusion. Please restate my premises, add your own then conclude. So that we can make a practical comparison. Extending parallel lines forward into the horizon? For the satisfaction that they have finally met? Intimate divergence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. Your conclusion on 'my' premises? Then my conclusion if I were to extend my argument would show control as true! Therefore, if there's no prior unity, arguments can neither be made nor understanding fostered. Extending 'your' argument could still lead to 'my' conclusion on 'your' premises. What greater unity could there be than using the same premises? There is no deeper understanding than this. Intimate divergence. Good. Now extend my premise and prove your conclusion. Please restate my premises, add your own then conclude. So that we can make a practical comparison. Extending parallel lines forward into the horizon? For the satisfaction that they have finally met? Intimate divergence. If the premises are parallel - divergent- then they can't be common. You're reneging on logic I see!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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As is intimately divergent.
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