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The Revolution of Consciusness
symbols
#61 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:39:36 PM
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tycho wrote:
@symbols, language has more than words. There's also meaning. The words may not be new, but meaning is always created.

So language has both zero sum and non-zero sum elements in constant engagement.

'I am' is the signifier. The Creator of meaning. 'It', is the signified; the zero sum.

That's the only condition for saying, 'correct' and 'not correct'.

Revolution of consciousness is the awareness of the dialectic of 'I am it'. It's the difference between writing now, and our ancestor's drawings on the caves.

And the dialectic between 'I am' and 'It' is the spark of creation. The source of difference and unity.


Meaning,like language is already part of the one.There is nothing to create.

The signifier,signified,correct,incorrect,'I am' and 'It' are also part of the one.

Your meaning is just as valid as mine.If I am part of the one and I say anything goes,anything goes.
symbols
#62 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 11:12:16 PM
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Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
Muriel wrote:
What I know is that there can be no liberty of conscience if all conscience, consiousness is all tethered up together into 'one'.

This Call then is a softening-up of minds to come round to an eventual one world government, a government where free thought, free belief and free conscience will be illegal. Fascism with a universal christ. With chains and bonds for the separate.

I am a renegade.

Liberty!

It's a delicate balance.Governments are built on moral authority with such concepts like good,bad,right and wrong and religions are the the dominant force in that domain.

The way I see it,the idea is to question religion without questioning the morals.Cherry picking.To strip religion of moral authority without entering into moral relativism.If we enter moral relativism,being a renegade is a matter of perspective.
tycho
#63 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 5:41:21 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
@symbols, language has more than words. There's also meaning. The words may not be new, but meaning is always created.

So language has both zero sum and non-zero sum elements in constant engagement.

'I am' is the signifier. The Creator of meaning. 'It', is the signified; the zero sum.

That's the only condition for saying, 'correct' and 'not correct'.

Revolution of consciousness is the awareness of the dialectic of 'I am it'. It's the difference between writing now, and our ancestor's drawings on the caves.

And the dialectic between 'I am' and 'It' is the spark of creation. The source of difference and unity.


Meaning,like language is already part of the one.There is nothing to create.

The signifier,signified,correct,incorrect,'I am' and 'It' are also part of the one.

Your meaning is just as valid as mine.If I am part of the one and I say anything goes,anything goes.


Does your post have any meaning given by any one?
tycho
#64 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 5:46:32 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
What I know is that there can be no liberty of conscience if all conscience, consiousness is all tethered up together into 'one'.

This Call then is a softening-up of minds to come round to an eventual one world government, a government where free thought, free belief and free conscience will be illegal. Fascism with a universal christ. With chains and bonds for the separate.

I am a renegade.

Liberty!

It's a delicate balance.Governments are built on moral authority with such concepts like good,bad,right and wrong and religions are the the dominant force in that domain.

The way I see it,the idea is to question religion without questioning the morals.Cherry picking.To strip religion of moral authority without entering into moral relativism.If we enter moral relativism,being a renegade is a matter of perspective.


Is 'cherry picking' also a matter of perspective? Whose perspective? Why that perspective?
symbols
#65 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 5:50:05 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
@symbols, language has more than words. There's also meaning. The words may not be new, but meaning is always created.

So language has both zero sum and non-zero sum elements in constant engagement.

'I am' is the signifier. The Creator of meaning. 'It', is the signified; the zero sum.

That's the only condition for saying, 'correct' and 'not correct'.

Revolution of consciousness is the awareness of the dialectic of 'I am it'. It's the difference between writing now, and our ancestor's drawings on the caves.

And the dialectic between 'I am' and 'It' is the spark of creation. The source of difference and unity.


Meaning,like language is already part of the one.There is nothing to create.

The signifier,signified,correct,incorrect,'I am' and 'It' are also part of the one.

Your meaning is just as valid as mine.If I am part of the one and I say anything goes,anything goes.


Does your post have any meaning given by any one?

By your argument the 'one'.
tycho
#66 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:01:42 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
@symbols, language has more than words. There's also meaning. The words may not be new, but meaning is always created.

So language has both zero sum and non-zero sum elements in constant engagement.

'I am' is the signifier. The Creator of meaning. 'It', is the signified; the zero sum.

That's the only condition for saying, 'correct' and 'not correct'.

Revolution of consciousness is the awareness of the dialectic of 'I am it'. It's the difference between writing now, and our ancestor's drawings on the caves.

And the dialectic between 'I am' and 'It' is the spark of creation. The source of difference and unity.


Meaning,like language is already part of the one.There is nothing to create.

The signifier,signified,correct,incorrect,'I am' and 'It' are also part of the one.

Your meaning is just as valid as mine.If I am part of the one and I say anything goes,anything goes.


Does your post have any meaning given by any one?

By your argument the 'one'.


What do you mean?
symbols
#67 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:08:07 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
What I know is that there can be no liberty of conscience if all conscience, consiousness is all tethered up together into 'one'.

This Call then is a softening-up of minds to come round to an eventual one world government, a government where free thought, free belief and free conscience will be illegal. Fascism with a universal christ. With chains and bonds for the separate.

I am a renegade.

Liberty!

It's a delicate balance.Governments are built on moral authority with such concepts like good,bad,right and wrong and religions are the the dominant force in that domain.

The way I see it,the idea is to question religion without questioning the morals.Cherry picking.To strip religion of moral authority without entering into moral relativism.If we enter moral relativism,being a renegade is a matter of perspective.


Is 'cherry picking' also a matter of perspective? Whose perspective? Why that perspective?

It is a matter of perspective.Like I said, "the way I see it" and I explained the why.
symbols
#68 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:10:11 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
@symbols, language has more than words. There's also meaning. The words may not be new, but meaning is always created.

So language has both zero sum and non-zero sum elements in constant engagement.

'I am' is the signifier. The Creator of meaning. 'It', is the signified; the zero sum.

That's the only condition for saying, 'correct' and 'not correct'.

Revolution of consciousness is the awareness of the dialectic of 'I am it'. It's the difference between writing now, and our ancestor's drawings on the caves.

And the dialectic between 'I am' and 'It' is the spark of creation. The source of difference and unity.


Meaning,like language is already part of the one.There is nothing to create.

The signifier,signified,correct,incorrect,'I am' and 'It' are also part of the one.

Your meaning is just as valid as mine.If I am part of the one and I say anything goes,anything goes.


Does your post have any meaning given by any one?

By your argument the 'one'.


What do you mean?

Any meaning is also part of the 'one'.
tycho
#69 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:13:40 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
True, any meaning is part of the one; but is there any meaning in your post? Or my post?
tycho
#70 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:18:44 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
What I know is that there can be no liberty of conscience if all conscience, consiousness is all tethered up together into 'one'.

This Call then is a softening-up of minds to come round to an eventual one world government, a government where free thought, free belief and free conscience will be illegal. Fascism with a universal christ. With chains and bonds for the separate.

I am a renegade.

Liberty!

It's a delicate balance.Governments are built on moral authority with such concepts like good,bad,right and wrong and religions are the the dominant force in that domain.

The way I see it,the idea is to question religion without questioning the morals.Cherry picking.To strip religion of moral authority without entering into moral relativism.If we enter moral relativism,being a renegade is a matter of perspective.


Is 'cherry picking' also a matter of perspective? Whose perspective? Why that perspective?

It is a matter of perspective.Like I said, "the way I see it" and I explained the why.


Is Muriel 'I'? What happens to, 'as he sees it'? Is 'his' 'why', your 'why'?
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