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Is Taking a Mortgage the WORST Decision Ever??
keved
#341 Posted : Monday, July 07, 2014 3:01:37 PM
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icecube wrote:
xtina wrote:
I want to hear from those who keep saying they have/will 'accelerate' payments. How did/have you do(ne) it? Especially considering you have everyday manenos such as food/clothing, school fees, funerals/wedding mchangos, hospital bills, rent, etc?


Considering that paying mortgage strains most incomes, I believe accelerating payments can be achieved mainly from a windfall or a big bonus from wherever...rarely from regular income, unless there is a noticeable increment in monthly earnings.



But the way some state it is as if the windfall is regular. How do they manage it?
Othelo
#342 Posted : Monday, July 07, 2014 3:38:39 PM
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keved wrote:
icecube wrote:
xtina wrote:
I want to hear from those who keep saying they have/will 'accelerate' payments. How did/have you do(ne) it? Especially considering you have everyday manenos such as food/clothing, school fees, funerals/wedding mchangos, hospital bills, rent, etc?


Considering that paying mortgage strains most incomes, I believe accelerating payments can be achieved mainly from a windfall or a big bonus from wherever...rarely from regular income, unless there is a noticeable increment in monthly earnings.



But the way some state it is as if the windfall is regular. How do they manage it?

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premio
#343 Posted : Monday, July 07, 2014 6:35:16 PM
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@ Mungaits welcome am already here what do u think can they hit 6m by 2017
Omena
#344 Posted : Monday, July 07, 2014 6:50:36 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
[quotewell=icecube]
xtina wrote:
I want to hear from those who keep saying they have/will 'accelerate' payments. How did/have you do(ne) it? Especially considering you have everyday manenos such as food/clothing, school fees, funerals/wedding mchangos, hospital bills, rent, etc?


Considering that paying mortgage strains most incomes, I believe accelerating payments can be achieved mainly from a windfall or a big bonus from wherever...rarely from regular income, unless there is a noticeable increment in monthly earnings.



A mortgage is like a high maintenance wife. It forces you to be creative and work extra hard to get ahead of the scheduled payments. This is a good thing cause the net effect is that you are wealthier.

The main source of the accelerated funds are of course windfalls, salary hikes, added allowances etc, which you are now forced to channel toward the principle amount. Another good thing cause you may otherwise have misused it.

A key threshold level is the point at which interest payments equal the rental value. At this point you are not 'losing' anything to the bank, which is the first milestone, usually about half the amount, and should be the main goal, because beyond this you are gaining. This jump is possible by a little more sacrifice or liquidation of an existing asset.

The peculiar thing with well selected houses in Kenya, is that they appreciate very fast especially if bought off plan or early in the development -a very good thing. As a buyer I would suggest you get your mind out of the 20 year mentality, and be very open to selling it in the event the value rises to a juicy level. You can pocket the untaxed capital gains and explore your options of even 2 off plan units... and the cycle continues.

Your payslip, like any other asset needs to be bled to its maximum value (with caution and wisdom of course), and getting a mortgage allows you to do this. The 20 years + is the maximum repayment, and sort of insurance incase the windfalls do not come.
 It’s what you learn after you think you know it all that counts.
whiteowl
#345 Posted : Monday, July 07, 2014 7:14:38 PM
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In countries like the US,it's fairly easy to spot a bubble coz lots of houses are bought under mortgages. The graph of the income of the guys taking mortgages n the prices of the houses they were buying simply didn't match. The prices were increasing drastically hence the eventual crisis of 2008. Back here most houses are bought in cash or financed by alternative means so how can you foretell a housing bubble in Kenya? Just when you think there's a bubble, more cash buyers emerge from the shadows,snap up the available houses n the prices keep going up.
butterflyke
#346 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 1:18:14 PM
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ION, you can now 'test-drive' the house you'd like to buy for a fee..

C&P:

“We realise that buying a house is an important decision so we urge prospective buyers to take this golden opportunity to check out the traffic, visit local schools or simply get to know your future neighbours,” says Ms Wambui.

Buyers can choose between a weekend or a weekday package.

The cost of a 3-day, 4-night package from Monday afternoon to Friday morning is Sh20,000. Those who opt for a weekend stay also pay Sh20,000 for 2 days and 3 nights from Friday afternoon to Monday morning. Half-days are not counted as full days.

In the event that the client buys the house, which are selling for between Sh9 million to Sh31 million, they are refunded the Sh20,000.

RINK

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Angelica _ann
#347 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 2:39:40 PM
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butterflyke wrote:
ION, you can now 'test-drive' the house you'd like to buy for a fee..

C&P:

“We realise that buying a house is an important decision so we urge prospective buyers to take this golden opportunity to check out the traffic, visit local schools or simply get to know your future neighbours,” says Ms Wambui.

Buyers can choose between a weekend or a weekday package.

The cost of a 3-day, 4-night package from Monday afternoon to Friday morning is Sh20,000. Those who opt for a weekend stay also pay Sh20,000 for 2 days and 3 nights from Friday afternoon to Monday morning. Half-days are not counted as full days.

In the event that the client buys the house, which are selling for between Sh9 million to Sh31 million, they are refunded the Sh20,000.

RINK


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keved
#348 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 3:37:41 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
butterflyke wrote:
ION, you can now 'test-drive' the house you'd like to buy for a fee..

C&P:

“We realise that buying a house is an important decision so we urge prospective buyers to take this golden opportunity to check out the traffic, visit local schools or simply get to know your future neighbours,” says Ms Wambui.

Buyers can choose between a weekend or a weekday package.

The cost of a 3-day, 4-night package from Monday afternoon to Friday morning is Sh20,000. Those who opt for a weekend stay also pay Sh20,000 for 2 days and 3 nights from Friday afternoon to Monday morning. Half-days are not counted as full days.

In the event that the client buys the house, which are selling for between Sh9 million to Sh31 million, they are refunded the Sh20,000.

RINK


Naona watu wakienda na maclande huku!



That is being innovative and I second Angelica_ann thought
Kenyan Oracle
#349 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 7:11:37 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
butterflyke wrote:
ION, you can now 'test-drive' the house you'd like to buy for a fee..

C&P:

“We realise that buying a house is an important decision so we urge prospective buyers to take this golden opportunity to check out the traffic, visit local schools or simply get to know your future neighbours,” says Ms Wambui.

Buyers can choose between a weekend or a weekday package.

The cost of a 3-day, 4-night package from Monday afternoon to Friday morning is Sh20,000. Those who opt for a weekend stay also pay Sh20,000 for 2 days and 3 nights from Friday afternoon to Monday morning. Half-days are not counted as full days.

In the event that the client buys the house, which are selling for between Sh9 million to Sh31 million, they are refunded the Sh20,000.

RINK


Naona watu wakienda na maclande huku!


Watu wataenda huku instead of being seen checking into a hotel smile
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whiteowl
#350 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 11:04:53 PM
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Kenyan Oracle wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
butterflyke wrote:
ION, you can now 'test-drive' the house you'd like to buy for a fee..

C&P:

“We realise that buying a house is an important decision so we urge prospective buyers to take this golden opportunity to check out the traffic, visit local schools or simply get to know your future neighbours,” says Ms Wambui.

Buyers can choose between a weekend or a weekday package.

The cost of a 3-day, 4-night package from Monday afternoon to Friday morning is Sh20,000. Those who opt for a weekend stay also pay Sh20,000 for 2 days and 3 nights from Friday afternoon to Monday morning. Half-days are not counted as full days.

In the event that the client buys the house, which are selling for between Sh9 million to Sh31 million, they are refunded the Sh20,000.

RINK


Naona watu wakienda na maclande huku!


Watu wataenda huku instead of being seen checking into a hotel smile

This can be a good source of revenue before the houses are eventually sold.Biashara ya maclande ni poa sana.
xtina
#351 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 1:36:45 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
icecube wrote:
xtina wrote:
I want to hear from those who keep saying they have/will 'accelerate' payments. How did/have you do(ne) it? Especially considering you have everyday manenos such as food/clothing, school fees, funerals/wedding mchangos, hospital bills, rent, etc?


Considering that paying mortgage strains most incomes, I believe accelerating payments can be achieved mainly from a windfall or a big bonus from wherever...rarely from regular income, unless there is a noticeable increment in monthly earnings.



Wanted to hear real-life experiences about how regular this windfalls and bonuses are. but thanks.
icecube
#352 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:31:09 PM
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Location: Nairobi
xtina wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
icecube wrote:
xtina wrote:
I want to hear from those who keep saying they have/will 'accelerate' payments. How did/have you do(ne) it? Especially considering you have everyday manenos such as food/clothing, school fees, funerals/wedding mchangos, hospital bills, rent, etc?


Considering that paying mortgage strains most incomes, I believe accelerating payments can be achieved mainly from a windfall or a big bonus from wherever...rarely from regular income, unless there is a noticeable increment in monthly earnings.



Wanted to hear real-life experiences about how regular this windfalls and bonuses are. but thanks.

Seems like these windfalls and bonuses are not as regular as imagined..that is why there are no real-life experiences
jaggernaut
#353 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 7:24:36 PM
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Omena wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
[quotewell=icecube]
xtina wrote:
I want to hear from those who keep saying they have/will 'accelerate' payments. How did/have you do(ne) it? Especially considering you have everyday manenos such as food/clothing, school fees, funerals/wedding mchangos, hospital bills, rent, etc?


Considering that paying mortgage strains most incomes, I believe accelerating payments can be achieved mainly from a windfall or a big bonus from wherever...rarely from regular income, unless there is a noticeable increment in monthly earnings.



A mortgage is like a high maintenance wife. It forces you to be creative and work extra hard to get ahead of the scheduled payments. This is a good thing cause the net effect is that you are wealthier.

The main source of the accelerated funds are of course windfalls, salary hikes, added allowances etc, which you are now forced to channel toward the principle amount. Another good thing cause you may otherwise have misused it.

A key threshold level is the point at which interest payments equal the rental value. At this point you are not 'losing' anything to the bank, which is the first milestone, usually about half the amount, and should be the main goal, because beyond this you are gaining. This jump is possible by a little more sacrifice or liquidation of an existing asset.

The peculiar thing with well selected houses in Kenya, is that they appreciate very fast especially if bought off plan or early in the development -a very good thing. As a buyer I would suggest you get your mind out of the 20 year mentality, and be very open to selling it in the event the value rises to a juicy level. You can pocket the untaxed capital gains and explore your options of even 2 off plan units... and the cycle continues.

Your payslip, like any other asset needs to be bled to its maximum value (with caution and wisdom of course), and getting a mortgage allows you to do this. The 20 years + is the maximum repayment, and sort of insurance incase the windfalls do not come.


Just imagine you were using the windfalls to accelerate building your house on your plot hapo Syokimau, garden estate, runda mumwe, Kitengela chuna, langata etc. It means you move into your new home loan free in 2yrs. You get a 500k windfall, you koroga the slab, the next windfall you buy Decra roofing, the next you buy tiles and fittings. In 2yrs you'd have moved into your 5bdrm house loan free......instead of accelerating a 20yr mortgage on a 3bdrm apartment to 10yrs.
icecube
#354 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:12:53 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Omena wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
[quotewell=icecube]
xtina wrote:
I want to hear from those who keep saying they have/will 'accelerate' payments. How did/have you do(ne) it? Especially considering you have everyday manenos such as food/clothing, school fees, funerals/wedding mchangos, hospital bills, rent, etc?


Considering that paying mortgage strains most incomes, I believe accelerating payments can be achieved mainly from a windfall or a big bonus from wherever...rarely from regular income, unless there is a noticeable increment in monthly earnings.



A mortgage is like a high maintenance wife. It forces you to be creative and work extra hard to get ahead of the scheduled payments. This is a good thing cause the net effect is that you are wealthier.

The main source of the accelerated funds are of course windfalls, salary hikes, added allowances etc, which you are now forced to channel toward the principle amount. Another good thing cause you may otherwise have misused it.

A key threshold level is the point at which interest payments equal the rental value. At this point you are not 'losing' anything to the bank, which is the first milestone, usually about half the amount, and should be the main goal, because beyond this you are gaining. This jump is possible by a little more sacrifice or liquidation of an existing asset.

The peculiar thing with well selected houses in Kenya, is that they appreciate very fast especially if bought off plan or early in the development -a very good thing. As a buyer I would suggest you get your mind out of the 20 year mentality, and be very open to selling it in the event the value rises to a juicy level. You can pocket the untaxed capital gains and explore your options of even 2 off plan units... and the cycle continues.

Your payslip, like any other asset needs to be bled to its maximum value (with caution and wisdom of course), and getting a mortgage allows you to do this. The 20 years + is the maximum repayment, and sort of insurance incase the windfalls do not come.


Just imagine you were using the windfalls to accelerate building your house on your plot hapo Syokimau, garden estate, runda mumwe, Kitengela chuna, langata etc. It means you move into your new home loan free in 2yrs. You get a 500k windfall, you koroga the slab, the next windfall you buy Decra roofing, the next you buy tiles and fittings. In 2yrs you'd have moved into your 5bdrm house loan free......instead of accelerating a 20yr mortgage on a 3bdrm apartment to 10yrs.

Well said. Let them come out and give us their experiences about accelerating mortgage payments, may be we will learn a thing or two.
Omena
#355 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:53:14 AM
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icecube wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Omena wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
[quotewell=icecube]
xtina wrote:
I want to hear from those who keep saying they have/will 'accelerate' payments. How did/have you do(ne) it? Especially considering you have everyday manenos such as food/clothing, school fees, funerals/wedding mchangos, hospital bills, rent, etc?


Considering that paying mortgage strains most incomes, I believe accelerating payments can be achieved mainly from a windfall or a big bonus from wherever...rarely from regular income, unless there is a noticeable increment in monthly earnings.



A mortgage is like a high maintenance wife. It forces you to be creative and work extra hard to get ahead of the scheduled payments. This is a good thing cause the net effect is that you are wealthier.

The main source of the accelerated funds are of course windfalls, salary hikes, added allowances etc, which you are now forced to channel toward the principle amount. Another good thing cause you may otherwise have misused it.

A key threshold level is the point at which interest payments equal the rental value. At this point you are not 'losing' anything to the bank, which is the first milestone, usually about half the amount, and should be the main goal, because beyond this you are gaining. This jump is possible by a little more sacrifice or liquidation of an existing asset.

The peculiar thing with well selected houses in Kenya, is that they appreciate very fast especially if bought off plan or early in the development -a very good thing. As a buyer I would suggest you get your mind out of the 20 year mentality, and be very open to selling it in the event the value rises to a juicy level. You can pocket the untaxed capital gains and explore your options of even 2 off plan units... and the cycle continues.

Your payslip, like any other asset needs to be bled to its maximum value (with caution and wisdom of course), and getting a mortgage allows you to do this. The 20 years + is the maximum repayment, and sort of insurance incase the windfalls do not come.


Just imagine you were using the windfalls to accelerate building your house on your plot hapo Syokimau, garden estate, runda mumwe, Kitengela chuna, langata etc. It means you move into your new home loan free in 2yrs. You get a 500k windfall, you koroga the slab, the next windfall you buy Decra roofing, the next you buy tiles and fittings. In 2yrs you'd have moved into your 5bdrm house loan free......instead of accelerating a 20yr mortgage on a 3bdrm apartment to 10yrs.

Well said. Let them come out and give us their experiences about accelerating mortgage payments, may be we will learn a thing or two.


I have a 20 year one taken 2 years ago, property value is currently up 35%. I have another due for draw down, property value already up 50%. Both were off plan buys.

God willing I should be clear of these in 2-3 years. If not I have a 20 yr cushion.

I have allocated some land as a backup incase things go south. Interestingly, the annual appreciation of this allocated land exceeds both the annual interest payments and house appreciations, so am better off not selling this land to pay off the mortgages as my balance sheet is growing organically.

My retirement home is what I am currently building with adhoc extra cash, because it has no economic value, and I will never sell it.
 It’s what you learn after you think you know it all that counts.
KulaRaha
#356 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 10:09:30 AM
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I took a mortgage to buy my own home just before PEV in 2007, October. I managed to get a fixed rate for the period...the repayment has not changed.

Currently, the property is up 260% in value. When I first started paying the instalments, my best friend who lived down the road was paying rent at 70% of my repayment. As at 2012, his rent went higher than my repayment by 20%. Now I dont even ask how much more he is paying...rents in my area have escalated to astronomical levels. He has a flat, I have a townhouse with 2 gardens.

What extra funds I manage every year, I pay up part of the principal, and use the rest to buy other assets if possible. My mortgage will end October 2016.

I could not have built my own place as I could not have afforded land where I live. Min is 3 acres, gated communities. I think I made a good decision. At least, better than my friend.
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Impunity
#357 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 12:29:51 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
butterflyke wrote:
ION, you can now 'test-drive' the house you'd like to buy for a fee..

C&P:

“We realise that buying a house is an important decision so we urge prospective buyers to take this golden opportunity to check out the traffic, visit local schools or simply get to know your future neighbours,” says Ms Wambui.

Buyers can choose between a weekend or a weekday package.

The cost of a 3-day, 4-night package from Monday afternoon to Friday morning is Sh20,000. Those who opt for a weekend stay also pay Sh20,000 for 2 days and 3 nights from Friday afternoon to Monday morning. Half-days are not counted as full days.

In the event that the client buys the house, which are selling for between Sh9 million to Sh31 million, they are refunded the Sh20,000.

RINK


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icecube
#358 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 2:51:08 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
I took a mortgage to buy my own home just before PEV in 2007, October. I managed to get a fixed rate for the period...the repayment has not changed.

Currently, the property is up 260% in value. When I first started paying the instalments, my best friend who lived down the road was paying rent at 70% of my repayment. As at 2012, his rent went higher than my repayment by 20%. Now I dont even ask how much more he is paying...rents in my area have escalated to astronomical levels. He has a flat, I have a townhouse with 2 gardens.

What extra funds I manage every year, I pay up part of the principal, and use the rest to buy other assets if possible. My mortgage will end October 2016.

I could not have built my own place as I could not have afforded land where I live. Min is 3 acres, gated communities. I think I made a good decision. At least, better than my friend.


I like this. This sounds like a very wise decision. I think the beauty with a mortgage is that it makes you own a house in a place you may not afford to buy a plot and build in.
icecube
#359 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 2:52:59 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
I took a mortgage to buy my own home just before PEV in 2007, October. I managed to get a fixed rate for the period...the repayment has not changed.

Currently, the property is up 260% in value. When I first started paying the instalments, my best friend who lived down the road was paying rent at 70% of my repayment. As at 2012, his rent went higher than my repayment by 20%. Now I dont even ask how much more he is paying...rents in my area have escalated to astronomical levels. He has a flat, I have a townhouse with 2 gardens.

What extra funds I manage every year, I pay up part of the principal, and use the rest to buy other assets if possible. My mortgage will end October 2016.

I could not have built my own place as I could not have afforded land where I live. Min is 3 acres, gated communities. I think I made a good decision. At least, better than my friend.


I like this. This sounds like a very wise decision. I think the beauty with a mortgage is that it makes you own a house in a place you may not afford to buy a plot and build in.
kiwaru
#360 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 4:10:01 PM
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While am a student of "chukua mortgage, jaribu lipa haraka", I wonder if this conversation changes remarkable when the interest rates are altered positively (pressure from KBRR + K ?!!?)
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