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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Any revolution is also a result of humans working hard to understand and 'control' nature. We must realize that our philosophy and culture must be studied and questioned with respect to our daily experiences.
We must embrace humiliation. Tycho; why do we need to embrace humiliation? Surely when our beliefs are proved wrong, all we need is to accept the lesson learned and move on? Knowledge is protected by the self. To learn, the self must lose. Against the Self. But why would we chose humiliation? Everything has a cost. To be better the ego must pay. Look at initiation rites. Or how we look at past civilizations as backward. So we shouldn't be one with the ego? The ego is a tool. Tools are controlled. What is the purpose of this tool? All tools are for survival. Life.
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:"Like waves in the ocean or sunbeams to the sun, there is actually nowhere where one of us stops and another one starts. On the level of bodies, we're all separate of course. But on the level of consciousness, we are one."
"Separateness" must be acknowledged and is confirmed. Why cannot it extend to consciousness?
I foresee chains and bonds for the separated ones. That all may be one. The maxim. There are some things you wouldn't want to be one with. Maybe so. But the question is, are there any things that we are not one with? We are all one with something. The question is what. Allow me to rephrase: ' We are all one with everything. The question is, why do we chose to be one with things that we do not like?' Let me borrow from what @Muriel wrote before.Physically we are not one.Why can't it extend to consciousness? Being similar or having the capacity to affect each other doesn't make us one. How now? Your arms and legs and nose etc all 'different.' Does that make You separate? Similarly you and I may look different but, genetically speaking we are not. If you shine a light through a prism it splits into many different colors. Does that make the light separate? In the same way all 'things' that comprise the Universe only seem separate. They are not. There is a reason why we create this illusion of separateness, but it is not real. The scientific, religious, philosophical evidence in this regard is overwhelming. But of course it is hard to let go of a favored illusion. What shall happen to us then? If I have two plastic chairs,are they one because they are similar? Are you saying that we are like the body? What is the scientific,religious and philosophical evidence? The chairs are one because of the definition of 'plastic chair' and context. Experiment: how many kinds of plastic chairs can you imagine? That's like saying men and bulls are one because they are male mammals. Yes. Aren't they? You haven't proven similarity makes us one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Any revolution is also a result of humans working hard to understand and 'control' nature. We must realize that our philosophy and culture must be studied and questioned with respect to our daily experiences.
We must embrace humiliation. Tycho; why do we need to embrace humiliation? Surely when our beliefs are proved wrong, all we need is to accept the lesson learned and move on? Knowledge is protected by the self. To learn, the self must lose. Against the Self. But why would we chose humiliation? Everything has a cost. To be better the ego must pay. Look at initiation rites. Or how we look at past civilizations as backward. So we shouldn't be one with the ego? The ego is a tool. Tools are controlled. What is the purpose of this tool? All tools are for survival. Life. Pride comes before a fall.You're arguing the fall is for survival.Life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Any revolution is also a result of humans working hard to understand and 'control' nature. We must realize that our philosophy and culture must be studied and questioned with respect to our daily experiences.
We must embrace humiliation. Tycho; why do we need to embrace humiliation? Surely when our beliefs are proved wrong, all we need is to accept the lesson learned and move on? Knowledge is protected by the self. To learn, the self must lose. Against the Self. But why would we chose humiliation? Everything has a cost. To be better the ego must pay. Look at initiation rites. Or how we look at past civilizations as backward. So we shouldn't be one with the ego? The ego is a tool. Tools are controlled. What is the purpose of this tool? All tools are for survival. Life. Pride comes before a fall.You're arguing the fall is for survival.Life. Is it not? Look at its context.
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:"Like waves in the ocean or sunbeams to the sun, there is actually nowhere where one of us stops and another one starts. On the level of bodies, we're all separate of course. But on the level of consciousness, we are one."
"Separateness" must be acknowledged and is confirmed. Why cannot it extend to consciousness?
I foresee chains and bonds for the separated ones. That all may be one. The maxim. There are some things you wouldn't want to be one with. Maybe so. But the question is, are there any things that we are not one with? We are all one with something. The question is what. Allow me to rephrase: ' We are all one with everything. The question is, why do we chose to be one with things that we do not like?' Let me borrow from what @Muriel wrote before.Physically we are not one.Why can't it extend to consciousness? Being similar or having the capacity to affect each other doesn't make us one. How now? Your arms and legs and nose etc all 'different.' Does that make You separate? Similarly you and I may look different but, genetically speaking we are not. If you shine a light through a prism it splits into many different colors. Does that make the light separate? In the same way all 'things' that comprise the Universe only seem separate. They are not. There is a reason why we create this illusion of separateness, but it is not real. The scientific, religious, philosophical evidence in this regard is overwhelming. But of course it is hard to let go of a favored illusion. What shall happen to us then? If I have two plastic chairs,are they one because they are similar? Are you saying that we are like the body? What is the scientific,religious and philosophical evidence? The chairs are one because of the definition of 'plastic chair' and context. Experiment: how many kinds of plastic chairs can you imagine? That's like saying men and bulls are one because they are male mammals. David Bohm, one of the originators of the 'Universe as a hologram' theory, talks about two kinds of order: explicate and implicate. In the explicate order chairs, men, bulls etc seem separate because that is what is required to perceive the hologram in 3D reality. In the implicate order, however, all these items are one, just like the holographic image is projected from a simple set of common points yet appears very complex. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rock, plastic chair, marbles, humans, robots, corpses, . . . all things are alive, and intelligent. That's the new world order.
The Revolution of consciousness. The demand for a new answer; what's the meaning of humanity?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:Rock, plastic chair, marbles, humans, robots, corpses, . . . all things are alive, and intelligent. That's the new world order.
The Revolution of consciousness. The demand for a new answer; what's the meaning of humanity? What difference does it make?
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What I know is that there can be no liberty of conscience if all conscience, consiousness is all tethered up together into 'one'.
This Call then is a softening-up of minds to come round to an eventual one world government, a government where free thought, free belief and free conscience will be illegal. Fascism with a universal christ. With chains and bonds for the separate.
I am a renegade.
Liberty!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Rock, plastic chair, marbles, humans, robots, corpses, . . . all things are alive, and intelligent. That's the new world order.
The Revolution of consciousness. The demand for a new answer; what's the meaning of humanity? What difference does it make? 'It?' It makes a difference in how life proceeds. It facilitates survival.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:What I know is that there can be no liberty of conscience if all conscience, consiousness is all tethered up together into 'one'.
This Call then is a softening-up of minds to come round to an eventual one world government, a government where free thought, free belief and free conscience will be illegal. Fascism with a universal christ. With chains and bonds for the separate.
I am a renegade.
Liberty! Your post raises so many questions. But let's start with what you know. How did you get to know that conscience isn't shared?
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