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Hmm... Of oneness and separateness and drawing from the double slit experiment... At what level am i conscious ? at sub atomic level?atomic level? molecular? tissue level ? my organs ? all levels simultaneously ? If consciousness exists at say molecular level.. it would explain 2 things. 1. Spontaneous healing (Where it has occurred) 2. Cancer (The rogue cells decide to go rogue) My questions are drawn in part from recordings of a certain 'madman' on youtube. So where is my consciousness ?
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:"Like waves in the ocean or sunbeams to the sun, there is actually nowhere where one of us stops and another one starts. On the level of bodies, we're all separate of course. But on the level of consciousness, we are one."
"Separateness" must be acknowledged and is confirmed. Why cannot it extend to consciousness? Why does this sound familiar?  May I invite you to consider this: Separateness is not the same as 'uniqueness'; 'autonomy'; 'freedom' even 'individualism' which are all things we fear losing if we lose our separateness. If you stood by a street corner and watched human beings pass by, you would think they are all different. Yet scientists now tell us that, according to DNA, (the basic code that defines who we are) we are 99.9% similar.In other words, as 'un-seprate' as makes no difference. Ms. Williamson accepts that "on the level of bodies, we're all separate of course." Why then are the scientists contradicting her by saying that we are 99.9% similar? This is dissonance. Wewe! Read what wakanyugi has said and what you are saying.... slowly. Your response to him is dissonance.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:"Like waves in the ocean or sunbeams to the sun, there is actually nowhere where one of us stops and another one starts. On the level of bodies, we're all separate of course. But on the level of consciousness, we are one."
"Separateness" must be acknowledged and is confirmed. Why cannot it extend to consciousness? Why does this sound familiar? May I invite you to consider this: Separateness is not the same as 'uniqueness'; 'autonomy'; 'freedom' even 'individualism' which are all things we fear losing if we lose our separateness. If you stood by a street corner and watched human beings pass by, you would think they are all different. Yet scientists now tell us that, according to DNA, (the basic code that defines who we are) we are 99.9% similar. In other words, as 'un-seprate' as makes no difference. Ms. Williamson accepts that "on the level of bodies, we're all separate of course."Why then are the scientists contradicting her by saying that we are 99.9% similar? This is dissonance. What, you are with Ms Williamson now? (I thought you didn't like her) The separateness you and her speak of is clearly illusory. Like saying your hand is separate from your body because it looks different to the other parts. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:"Like waves in the ocean or sunbeams to the sun, there is actually nowhere where one of us stops and another one starts. On the level of bodies, we're all separate of course. But on the level of consciousness, we are one."
"Separateness" must be acknowledged and is confirmed. Why cannot it extend to consciousness?
I foresee chains and bonds for the separated ones. That all may be one. The maxim. There are some things you wouldn't want to be one with. Maybe so. But the question is, are there any things that we are not one with? We are all one with something.The question is what.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Mtu Biz wrote:Hmm...
Of oneness and separateness and drawing from the double slit experiment...
At what level am i conscious ? at sub atomic level?atomic level? molecular? tissue level ? my organs ? all levels simultaneously ?
If consciousness exists at say molecular level.. it would explain 2 things.
1. Spontaneous healing (Where it has occurred)
2. Cancer (The rogue cells decide to go rogue)
My questions are drawn in part from recordings of a certain 'madman' on youtube.
So where is my consciousness ?
This is a tough question. I believe consciousness exists at cellular level. But you could also argue that it exists at sub atomic level, which would explain weird Quantum science events like entanglement or even matter/wave duality. Which would mean that all things are conscious.....mhhhhm. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:"Like waves in the ocean or sunbeams to the sun, there is actually nowhere where one of us stops and another one starts. On the level of bodies, we're all separate of course. But on the level of consciousness, we are one."
"Separateness" must be acknowledged and is confirmed. Why cannot it extend to consciousness?
I foresee chains and bonds for the separated ones. That all may be one. The maxim. There are some things you wouldn't want to be one with. Maybe so. But the question is, are there any things that we are not one with? We are all one with something. The question is what. Allow me to rephrase: ' We are all one with everything. The question is, why do we chose to be one with things that we do not like?' "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Wakanyugi wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:Hmm...
Of oneness and separateness and drawing from the double slit experiment...
At what level am i conscious ? at sub atomic level?atomic level? molecular? tissue level ? my organs ? all levels simultaneously ?
If consciousness exists at say molecular level.. it would explain 2 things.
1. Spontaneous healing (Where it has occurred)
2. Cancer (The rogue cells decide to go rogue)
My questions are drawn in part from recordings of a certain 'madman' on youtube.
So where is my consciousness ?
This is a tough question. I believe consciousness exists at cellular level. But you could also argue that it exists at sub atomic level, which would explain weird Quantum science events like entanglement or even matter/wave duality. Which would mean that all things are conscious.....mhhhhm. Do you think say plants are conscious ? Some experiments seem to prove they are ? If so at what level ? Probably molecular... or deeper !
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:Hmm...
Of oneness and separateness and drawing from the double slit experiment...
At what level am i conscious ? at sub atomic level?atomic level? molecular? tissue level ? my organs ? all levels simultaneously ?
If consciousness exists at say molecular level.. it would explain 2 things.
1. Spontaneous healing (Where it has occurred)
2. Cancer (The rogue cells decide to go rogue)
My questions are drawn in part from recordings of a certain 'madman' on youtube.
So where is my consciousness ?
This is a tough question. I believe consciousness exists at cellular level. But you could also argue that it exists at sub atomic level, which would explain weird Quantum science events like entanglement or even matter/wave duality. Which would mean that all things are conscious.....mhhhhm. Or maybe the body is only a receiver/transmitter for consciousness.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:"Like waves in the ocean or sunbeams to the sun, there is actually nowhere where one of us stops and another one starts. On the level of bodies, we're all separate of course. But on the level of consciousness, we are one."
"Separateness" must be acknowledged and is confirmed. Why cannot it extend to consciousness?
I foresee chains and bonds for the separated ones. That all may be one. The maxim. There are some things you wouldn't want to be one with. Maybe so. But the question is, are there any things that we are not one with? We are all one with something. The question is what. Allow me to rephrase: ' We are all one with everything. The question is, why do we chose to be one with things that we do not like?' Let me borrow from what @Muriel wrote before.Physically we are not one.Why can't it extend to consciousness? Being similar or having the capacity to affect each other doesn't make us one.
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