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Muriel
#31 Posted : Tuesday, July 08, 2014 10:28:31 AM
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the gay thing in PCEA,

Alphdoti,

I cannot seem to respond to you. But my brother made a key point there and I quote it here:

Quote:
'Printed' and 'activity' aren't the only conditions for proving 'pornography' at least as per your definition.

You have to show that the passage has only one intention: to generate sexual interest rather than illicit an emotional or aesthetic reaction.

Am I correct?


I take this opportunity to respond to you thus:

Are you aroused when you read those things. Me? I react with horror at what they did. I question myself, "What was wrong with them? How can one be such a fool?!!! Ridiculous!!!"

Hence your threshold - according to the dictionary definition you gave as follows:
Quote:
printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.


is not met as my reaction clearly shows the descriptions were not intended to stimulate erotic feelings.

If you do get aroused, it is you who needs to clear your mind. It is your fault. Stop secretly watching those women dancing, movies and programmes that plant these seeds in your mind so that you - being a man - continually have these thoughts in your head. Instead, spend more time reading.
AlphDoti
#32 Posted : Tuesday, July 08, 2014 10:41:00 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Muriel wrote:
the gay thing in PCEA,

Alphdoti,

I cannot seem to respond to you. But my brother made a key point there and I quote it here:

Quote:
'Printed' and 'activity' aren't the only conditions for proving 'pornography' at least as per your definition.

You have to show that the passage has only one intention: to generate sexual interest rather than illicit an emotional or aesthetic reaction.

Am I correct?


I take this opportunity to respond to you thus:

Are you aroused when you read those things. Me? I react with horror at what they did. I question myself, "What was wrong with them? How can one be such a fool?!!! Ridiculous!!!"

Hence your threshold - according to the dictionary definition you gave as follows:
Quote:
printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.

is not met as my reaction clearly shows the descriptions were not intended to stimulate erotic feelings.

If you do get aroused, it is you who needs to clear your mind. It is your fault. Stop secretly watching those women dancing, movies and programmes that plant these seeds in your mind so that you - being a man - continually have these thoughts in your head. Instead, spend more time reading.

@muriel, go there and respond to that post. Don't bring that here. And in your response, please answer below two questions:

1. tell us what is the moral of Bible carrying story of Juda negotiating with a 'prostitute' what he will pay and how he will pay and landing on her on the road side, and conceiving twins, great grand parents of Jesus (pbuh).

2. Doesn't the Bible condemn bastard children? Doesn't 2 Tim 3:16 say any verse in the Bible serves one of the four tests, must serve some purpose.
a. It must be your doctrine.
b. Reproof: you do certain things wrong, you'll be punished.
c. Correction: not like this, but like that and
d. Encrouraging you to good deeds, instructions to righteousness.
Which one does it serve?
Nandwa
#33 Posted : Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:08:34 AM
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Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 1,049
AlphDoti wrote:
kyt wrote:
why are we bashing muslims here; dont Christians have sex left right and centre? si hata wengine go to do weddings when the stomach is very full yet the priest/pastor blesses their "holy" union. aii wachaneni na waislamu. as I said before it is excepcted and acceptable.

@kyt when people go to a garden of fruits to pick them, do they hit at the good ripen fruit or the rotten one?

This is why you see Dr. Afred Mutua being discussed and bashed almost every new thread on governor. Similarly for Islam, I don't blame them, I understand that Muslims are supposed to be example of the best character, which they are, more than anyone else!

@kyt wait and see, another thread will come up soon trying to malign Islam. You will never see one created about the vices you see going on in Church, and when they do like the gay thing in PCEA, the people here defend it like crazy.


Be honest for heavens sake.
There are countless threads and post by people who lean towards Christianity, critisising things happening in the Church.
Hypocrisy tuache.

Show me one where a Muslim has criticised anything happening in Islamic speheres!
And no, the reason people call you out is because of this fake self righteousness otherwise there is very little Islamist can teach the world about good behaviour. Hata afadhali wa-hindu ama ma-singh


Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
Nandwa
#34 Posted : Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:12:00 AM
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Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 1,049

And by the way Ushoga na usagaji umejaa hapa Mombasani.
Waswahili who profess.... yeah you guessed right, are the pioneers!
Get out of the high horse and accept reality.

Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
Muriel
#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 08, 2014 12:08:22 PM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
the gay thing in PCEA,

Alphdoti,

I cannot seem to respond to you. But my brother made a key point there and I quote it here:

Quote:
'Printed' and 'activity' aren't the only conditions for proving 'pornography' at least as per your definition.

You have to show that the passage has only one intention: to generate sexual interest rather than illicit an emotional or aesthetic reaction.

Am I correct?


I take this opportunity to respond to you thus:

Are you aroused when you read those things. Me? I react with horror at what they did. I question myself, "What was wrong with them? How can one be such a fool?!!! Ridiculous!!!"

Hence your threshold - according to the dictionary definition you gave as follows:
Quote:
printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.

is not met as my reaction clearly shows the descriptions were not intended to stimulate erotic feelings.

If you do get aroused, it is you who needs to clear your mind. It is your fault. Stop secretly watching those women dancing, movies and programmes that plant these seeds in your mind so that you - being a man - continually have these thoughts in your head. Instead, spend more time reading.

@muriel, go there and respond to that post. Don't bring that here. And in your response, please answer below two questions:

1. tell us what is the moral of Bible carrying story of Juda negotiating with a 'prostitute' what he will pay and how he will pay and landing on her on the road side, and conceiving twins, great grand parents of Jesus (pbuh).

2. Doesn't the Bible condemn bastard children? Doesn't 2 Tim 3:16 say any verse in the Bible serves one of the four tests, must serve some purpose.
a. It must be your doctrine.
b. Reproof: you do certain things wrong, you'll be punished.
c. Correction: not like this, but like that and
d. Encrouraging you to good deeds, instructions to righteousness.
Which one does it serve?


Alphdoti,

Hadithi, hadithi?

Kaka Sungura kadanganya Kaka Ndovu.

Haya, tupe funzo la hadithi. Tudanganye?

You have a linear way of thinking, a tunnel or tube perspective. You find it hard to analyse more than one thing at any one time - actually, you can only manage half a thing at any given time. (Because you secretly watch women dancing and it is all you think of.)

A narrative can also teach you in so many words what NOT to do and still be in conformity to 2 Tim 3:16.

If any thing, if you still insist, then the women dancing in the video above and the men watching them are indeed have "halalized" the "immoral" lessons they obtained from the tora and hadithis. You then are a participant for those are the lessons you obtain.
Muriel
#36 Posted : Tuesday, July 08, 2014 12:13:50 PM
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Posts: 3,142
guru267 wrote:
Muslims also sin so I didn't get the joke!

Why can't a Muslim wear a rolex?


Its not about Muslims but its about Alphdoti.

He has a way of being extremely obnoxious and pungent even to the most sympathetic listener.
Muriel
#37 Posted : Tuesday, July 08, 2014 12:21:51 PM
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Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:
This is not Islam! This is prostitution, whoever they call themselves. What they are doing is prostitution.

There is no question about haram things in Islam. And that also represent my views on them; pork, alcohol, fornication, adultery, mapango wa kando, mixing of sexes, and music & dancing etc.

This video is so questionable
See those guys in caps: these are not Muslims, they clad in Kanzu and buibui to look like Muslims. Why would you wear an Islamic attire, then go do sinful acts in front of the camera? Doesn't that clearly tell what the intention is?

It means you either don't know what Islam is, or you are doing it intentionally for the camera. Those who do that violated Islamic rules, and they are not real Muslims. Or they are acting for the video.

And they are doing this inside a tent?



After all your rant and rave, the single most important parting question you have is where they do it?

Obviously you will now be on the look out for "tents". Typical man whose mind is full of "haram" things. There is nowhere you look without seeing and thinking of sex.

And I thought I explained to you to stop grunting about pork this pork that like a swine.

The day you find yourself starving, I hope to serve you bacon and you, dear Alphdoti, will chomp down on it with relish and gusto. Allah will allow it. It will be halal - then and only then.
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