AlphDoti first tells us that Jews killed Jesus knowing too well he was the messiah just because they were vichwa ngumu

Then alphdoti tells us that Jews calling Jesus messiah is mockery. ie that they didn't believe he was messiah like the Romans

@lonest we can start again from the beginning as I can see you want to go in circles.

'Everyone knows that the Qur'an is saying that those who said those statements were only being sarcastic. It is similar to how the Romans put a crown "King of the Jews" on Jesus' head according to the Gospels. Obviously they were being sarcastic about the king story, the same way they were sarcastic about crucifying him.'

@Symbol you're asking if this is in the Bible? You don't know your Bible?

You see in every civilized nation on Earth, people have disputes. And when these disputes go to court, the plaintiff, the complainant goes into the witness box and he testifies. And the opposing advocate, the attorney, he cross-examines the witness. When he cross-examines the witness on the evidence that he has given, and on that evidence.
If he can prove to the judges to satisfaction that the man is lying, lying, lying... that the witness was a liar. What he does is he closes the case and he asks for absolution with costs and he gets it.
And this is normal practice in everyday affair:

dispute => you cross-examine the person and you come to a conclusion

Now the Quran tells us to do the same:
"And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Quran 2:111

In answer to the above, God Almighty makes us to say:
'Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."' Quran 2:111

He says ask them to look at the certificate that entitles them to heaven and us to hell. So the Christians you have produced it, the Bible. And you say my Bible says this, my Bible says that...
SO I have to cross-examine the Bible, your witness. And I'm proving from the mouth of your witness that the things that you are alleging, saying and claiming is not there!!

And you say what about the things that are true.
I say that is not at dispute.

For example, if the Bible says that God is One, we say we agree with you. If you say everyone is responsible for his/her own sins, then we say that we agree with you. Don't you see?

If you say God is a loving Father in heaven I say that is alright. But when you say he's like shylocks wanting to get a kilo of flesh from his creation, Adam and Eve sins and He makes you responsible, all billion people on Earth! And all these will go to hell, for what! For the sins of Adam and Eve committed?

This is non-nonsensical idea because Adam and Eve didn't ask me before eating the apple, nor did Eve ask my wife. How God will hold us responsible!!

Additions,deletions and alterations?

The interpretation

Ram was kings of Media and Persia. Persia took ascendance over Media and was the higher horn that came last. The westward, northward and southward directions are the 3 kingdoms it conqured Lydia, Egypt and Babylon.

The he-goat is king of Grecia and the great horn between his eyes is the first king Alexander. His rapid conquest is depicted as if his feet were not touching the ground. He conqured the ram (Media and Persia). The four horns that arose after Alexander was broken off were Lysimachus, Cassander, Ptolemy and Seleucus who ruled the 4 divisions of Greece after Alexander's death.

From one of these horns came the fourth (a little horn) that also is described as a king of dark sentences and fierce countenance. This is Rome for in its time Romans committed atrocities against "the mighty and holy people".