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Kenya Airways FY 2014 loss of 4.8bn!!!
mibbz
#101 Posted : Wednesday, July 02, 2014 12:08:48 AM
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But remember Mumias at 4 to 5 bob looked to have factored in the turbulent times but it went down to ksh 3 and lower. All the same,best wishes to KQ shareholders.Your dreams are valid.
VituVingiSana
#102 Posted : Wednesday, July 02, 2014 2:34:24 AM
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mibbz wrote:
Akenyan2014 wrote:
I think all those fears are already factored in the current price hammering. It is true the E-190s doesn't look like a good business philosophy, there were better alternatives. But those old 767s had to be replaced at some point, the earlier the better for lower operation costs. 777's capacity addition needed not be delayed either.
I agree on the capital intensive options taken could prove tough. The govt. might perhaps be called upon to help eg. with taxation headache (not a guarantee though) but eventually things will look up at some point. For sure the govt. cannot watch it collapse, it cannot be a choice to see a national carrier collapse.

I find one big problem is the fuel costs and irreducible wage bill (since a significant portion goes to untouchable key staff such as pilots). The only reservation I have is the fact that of no share ownership by management, perhaps they know recovery could take longer.


South African airways has resorted to the government several times when faced with massive losses.I wonder how much the shareholders are willing to put to sustain KQ. All in all i see a decent hedging profit this year should the situation in Iraq remain status quo and that might just cover most of these negative externalities.
Reliance on government largesse [the extra taxes is stupid but that's government for you] is a double-edged sword since politicians will demand (& get) favors like free flights, jobs for 'their' people and demands for contracts.
The 767s were old but the massive/rapid expansion [not just replacement of 767s] is where it will hurt. A slower, thoughtful expansion would have been better. Add 4-6 planes a year thus managing the need to to hire more staff. In a downturn, the staff will want their wages and goodies and not give two hoots about KQ.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Akenyan2014
#103 Posted : Wednesday, July 02, 2014 3:22:15 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mibbz wrote:
[quote=Akenyan2014]I think all those fears are already factored in the current price hammering. It is true the E-190s doesn't look like a good business philosophy, there were better alternatives. But those old 767s had to be replaced at some point, the earlier the better for lower operation costs. 777's capacity addition needed not be delayed either.
I agree on the capital intensive options taken could prove tough. The govt. might perhaps be called upon to help eg. with taxation headache (not a guarantee though) but eventually things will look up at some point. For sure the govt. cannot watch it collapse, it cannot be a choice to see a national carrier collapse.

I find one big problem is the fuel costs and irreducible wage bill (since a significant portion goes to untouchable key staff such as pilots). The only reservation I have is the fact that of no share ownership by management, perhaps they know recovery could take longer.


South African airways has resorted to the government several times when faced with massive losses.I wonder how much the shareholders are willing to put to sustain KQ. All in all i see a decent hedging profit this year should the situation in Iraq remain status quo and that might just cover most of these negative externalities.
Reliance on government largesse [the extra taxes is stupid but that's government for you] is a double-edged sword since politicians will demand (& get) favors like free flights, jobs for 'their' people and demands for contracts.
The 767s were old but the massive/rapid expansion [not just replacement of 767s] is where it will hurt. A slower, thoughtful expansion would have been better. Add 4-6 planes a year thus managing the need to to hire more staff. In a downturn, the staff will want their wages and goodies and not give two hoots about KQ.
Boris Boyka
#104 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 3:15:31 PM
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when is the AGM?? @obiero the pilot.
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#105 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 8:33:27 PM
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The mawingu strategy is spot on. It will take another 2-3 years for the benefits to start showing. Replacement of 767 with 787 has fuel advantages and also bigger depreciation that reduce tax. Replacement of 737 with embraer ensures that there are more frequencies with higher load factors. Replacement of 777-200 with 777-300 introduces more seats, some fuel savings, more belly space and competitive IFE, which is critical on long haul routes. They now need to sort out the VAT matter and we should be good to go.
Omena
#106 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 10:30:10 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
The mawingu strategy is spot on. It will take another 2-3 years for the benefits to start showing. Replacement of 767 with 787 has fuel advantages and also bigger depreciation that reduce tax. Replacement of 737 with embraer ensures that there are more frequencies with higher load factors. Replacement of 777-200 with 777-300 introduces more seats, some fuel savings, more belly space and competitive IFE, which is critical on long haul routes. They now need to sort out the VAT matter and we should be good to go.

The mawingu plan is very well written, but the competition is moving twice as fast with half the baggage and have already right-sized their fleets. In a rasor sharp margin business where every passenger counts to recoup investment, it is still a very tricky road ahead.
Pray
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VituVingiSana
#107 Posted : Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:38:18 AM
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Omena wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
The mawingu strategy is spot on. It will take another 2-3 years for the benefits to start showing. Replacement of 767 with 787 has fuel advantages and also bigger depreciation that reduce tax. Replacement of 737 with embraer ensures that there are more frequencies with higher load factors. Replacement of 777-200 with 777-300 introduces more seats, some fuel savings, more belly space and competitive IFE, which is critical on long haul routes. They now need to sort out the VAT matter and we should be good to go.

The mawingu plan is very well written, but the competition is moving twice as fast with half the baggage and have already right-sized their fleets. In a rasor sharp margin business where every passenger counts to recoup investment, it is still a very tricky road ahead.
Pray
Project Mawingu was written by consultants, approved by the Board and implemented by the Management. All 3 parties have NO financial stake in KQ. All 3 benefit from huge fees, per diems, salaries and perks. A slower or less ambitious approach should have been taken which took into account that Kenya's government [which runs JKIA] interests are not aligned with KQ or the country. The Government of Kenya is different from Kenya the State/Country/Nation.

In other words, the Consultants, Brokers, Board, Management and Employees have NO skin in the game. They can and will bail at the earliest opportunity.

Titus after 11 years [and salary, perks, benefits and pension] has left.
Alex will leave after enjoying the same.
The Project Mawingu consultants have been paid & have left.
The Employees will leave.
The Board Members will leave while enjoying free or discounted flights.
The Brokers got paid in cash not shares.
The Banks will be paid in cash or by selling off assets if KQ defaults.

Nani ameachwa? Wewe, wanahisa, ni wewe tu mmeachwa.

Yes, depreciation [non-cash expense] will save on 'taxes' but there is interest [cash] to be paid. Planes have a life of 15-25 yr life so depreciation is approx 4-7% [could be residual or straight-line] ... I have to check how KQ accounts for it. KQ's [cash] interest cost can reduce taxable income [only if there is an Operating Gain [There was an Operating Loss in 2013-14].

KQ's biggest risks are 1) Competition 2) Risk perception of Nairobi as a hub.

Anyway, I could write & write on all this BUT in the interest of brevity I am staying out until I see how 2014-15 is shaping up.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#108 Posted : Saturday, July 05, 2014 7:39:37 AM
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Finance costs will be the final nail in the coffin for these dead guys!

Then we can send them to their grave!

And of course afterwards Gova will raise them from the dead...

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
whiteowl
#109 Posted : Saturday, July 05, 2014 9:33:51 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Finance costs will be the final nail in the coffin for these dead guys!

Then we can send them to their grave!

And of course afterwards Gova will raise them from the dead...



That's funny coz you've never held a funeral service for your own stocks.
xtina
#110 Posted : Monday, July 07, 2014 12:21:42 PM
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whiteowl wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Finance costs will be the final nail in the coffin for these dead guys!

Then we can send them to their grave!

And of course afterwards Gova will raise them from the dead...



That's funny coz you've never held a funeral service for your own stocks.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Manze you people need to lay off guru, everyone makes expensive mistakes Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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