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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
I am ok with it.Islam doesn't have a Sabbath because Allah disbanded it.
 Allah (God Almighty) disbanded it way before Quran was revealed. He disbanded it in the Bible! If you want me to show you, I will show you. I don't blame you if you don't know whole of your Bible. This is not a Christian issue so why are you referring to the Bible? Show me the original scriptures of the Torah that say the Sabbath was disbanded. You asked why Muslims do not have Sabbath, and I told you because it was already disbanded. And besides, it means God rested, and we know God does not need rest, He does not get tired in guarding His creation. It's blasphemous. Anyway, I'll show you where it was disbanded by God, way before the Quran was sent down. It is in the Bible itself...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti - I asked you to show me the word of God in the Bible.Where is it? @symbol, are you serious? You want me to show you the Words of God in the Bible with all the mess the Bible scholars have done? I have said again and again that the original Torah, Zabur and Injeel was the original words of God. Currently, none of these Scriptures remain in their original form now! Remember, history has shown that Bible has suffered changes throughout the ages. How many times do you want me to repeat this? What you're saying is you don't know what is the word of God in the Bible? You also don't know what the Torah,Zabur and Injeel are.You don't know what the Qur'an recognizes except its claims on the matter.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
I am ok with it.Islam doesn't have a Sabbath because Allah disbanded it.
Allah (God Almighty) disbanded it way before Quran was revealed. He disbanded it in the Bible! If you want me to show you, I will show you. I don't blame you if you don't know whole of your Bible. This is not a Christian issue so why are you referring to the Bible? Show me the original scriptures of the Torah that say the Sabbath was disbanded. You asked why Muslims do not have Sabbath, and I told you because it was already disbanded. And besides, it means God rested, and we know God does not need rest, He does not get tired in guarding His creation. It's blasphemous. Anyway, I'll show you where it was disbanded by God, way before the Quran was sent down. It is in the Bible itself... You want to quote a Bible and you don't know what the word of God is in the Bible? Is this a matter of knowing what the word of God is when convenient  I already told you I am ok with Allah disbanding the Sabbath.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:I guess Muslims are special. Or like to be treated as special beings. While watching World Cup with some Muslims, they kept pointing out to me Muslims in the different teams from Ozil, Ahmed Musa, Rais, Benzema... My friend, incidentally called Mohammed , believes the World has not seen a better goal keeper than Rais of Algeria. Never mind Tim Howard of USA has made history by the number of saves per match in 50 years I have watched WC with these guys but I've never seen them so passionate(and heartbroken) about a team like they were for Algeria. Same here in wazua. Muslims feel you must be online when they want you to be. They will log in and post when they're ready but you will log in and post when they want... <other text removed for different topic> @lonest, what is wrong with one being passionate about something? Doesn't everyone have passion for something and someone? Your hate for Islam and Muslims indicates you have an inherent problem. Please debate issues with facts rather than hate. The people you hate are making a difference to some people: Ghana's player Sulley Muntari!!! He handed out money to disadvantaged Brazilians. He went to some of the poorest communities in Brazil. One report says he was handing out as mush as $160 (sh14,000) to each person he encountered. Eventually local Police asked him to stop!So football is for everyoneAnd everybody has a reason why they support their football team. I'm sure you too spend so much time, money and effort to follow your favourite " foreign", team. In other matches, do you patriotically support " one of your own?", e.g. Gor Mahia? True fans follow "their own", not the "colonisation" of minds by former ruler. Just like somebody said, some of you Kenyans don’t even teach their children mother tongues! Some even twist their mouths and tweng in unnatural manner in a misguided attempt to sound like they were born in the foreign country. You will say Kenyan teams are so down...but that is okay. I don't blame you for supporting foreign teams, because I know you want to embrace excellence. Support your choice, but don't envy someone who supports whoever he chooses. If Moha your friend chooses to support Algeria, and is passionate about it, that is his choice... he is supporting his "brothers" in Islam. So nothing wrong with that. IMPORTANT:ONE BOOK WRITTEN AGAINST ISLAM EVERYDAYA Christian surveyor, Professor Edward reported in the TIME Magazine of April 16, 1979 that in a span of 150 years, from 1800 CE to 1950 CE over 60,000 books have been written against Islam. It works out to more than one book against Islam everyday. There is something of 'minority mentality' with you guys. Otherwise I wonder why you have to point out to me every player you think si Musli in WC What's this loooonggg post about again??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:I guess Muslims are special. Or like to be treated as special beings. While watching World Cup with some Muslims, they kept pointing out to me Muslims in the different teams from Ozil, Ahmed Musa, Rais, Benzema... My friend, incidentally called Mohammed , believes the World has not seen a better goal keeper than Rais of Algeria. Never mind Tim Howard of USA has made history by the number of saves per match in 50 years I have watched WC with these guys but I've never seen them so passionate(and heartbroken) about a team like they were for Algeria. Same here in wazua. Muslims feel you must be online when they want you to be. They will log in and post when they're ready but you will log in and post when they want... <other text removed for different topic> @lonest, what is wrong with one being passionate about something? Doesn't everyone have passion for something and someone? Your hate for Islam and Muslims indicates you have an inherent problem. Please debate issues with facts rather than hate. The people you hate are making a difference to some people: Ghana's player Sulley Muntari!!! He handed out money to disadvantaged Brazilians. He went to some of the poorest communities in Brazil. One report says he was handing out as mush as $160 (sh14,000) to each person he encountered. Eventually local Police asked him to stop!So football is for everyoneAnd everybody has a reason why they support their football team. I'm sure you too spend so much time, money and effort to follow your favourite " foreign", team. In other matches, do you patriotically support " one of your own?", e.g. Gor Mahia? True fans follow "their own", not the "colonisation" of minds by former ruler. Just like somebody said, some of you Kenyans don’t even teach their children mother tongues! Some even twist their mouths and tweng in unnatural manner in a misguided attempt to sound like they were born in the foreign country. You will say Kenyan teams are so down...but that is okay. I don't blame you for supporting foreign teams, because I know you want to embrace excellence. Support your choice, but don't envy someone who supports whoever he chooses. If Moha your friend chooses to support Algeria, and is passionate about it, that is his choice... he is supporting his "brothers" in Islam. So nothing wrong with that. IMPORTANT:ONE BOOK WRITTEN AGAINST ISLAM EVERYDAYA Christian surveyor, Professor Edward reported in the TIME Magazine of April 16, 1979 that in a span of 150 years, from 1800 CE to 1950 CE over 60,000 books have been written against Islam. It works out to more than one book against Islam everyday. There is something of 'minority mentality' with you guys. Otherwise I wonder why you have to point out to me every player you think si Musli in WC What's this loooonggg post about again?? Whatever you want to say mister. Let people support whoever they want, and you support whoever you want. Don't feel far more important than others. Your post was shoooort I guess 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti - I asked you to show me the word of God in the Bible.Where is it? @symbol, are you serious? You want me to show you the Words of God in the Bible with all the mess the Bible scholars have done? I have said again and again that the original Torah, Zabur and Injeel was the original words of God. Currently, none of these Scriptures remain in their original form now! Remember, history has shown that Bible has suffered changes throughout the ages. How many times do you want me to repeat this? What you're saying is you don't know what is the word of God in the Bible? You also don't know what the Torah,Zabur and Injeel are.You don't know what the Qur'an recognizes except its claims on the matter. @symbol, whether you deny it or not: Some parts of the Bible is the word of God. But the whole Bible is not the word of God. Bible is a mixture, it has:- in some places the Word of God, which is the reminiscence (remainder) of the revealed scripture - it also contains the words of the prophets- it also contain the words of the historians- unfortunately, it even contains pornographic stuff too So the original Torah, Zabur and Injeel was not preserved! Shame on the people who changed, and they keep changing the scripture  So if you investigate, you will find the author of the current Gospel are various authors of each book. So who is the author? Mainly human beings (according to Christian scholars), namely: John, Matthew etc. What we should be seeing is Gospel according to Jesus (peace be upon him), the Injeel which was given to Jesus (pbuh). But what the Bible contain is: Gospel according to Matthew, gospel according to Mark, gospel according to Luke, gospel according to John etc So even Christian Scholars say, the Gospel you see in the Bible has been written by human beings. So we cannot attribute the complete Bible as the Word of God.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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It's not just about length but irrelevance. You've lectured me about foreign football teams as if Harambee Stars was playing! And as if I wasn't supporting African teams! Support whoever you want to support. Far be it for me to oppose you for that. But you know the 'special status' thing you guys have. Which is why you have to point out each Muslim in the teams. Imagine if Catholics were to do the same! How irritating would it be? Right now your guys want us to watch some guys going round that stone you pray bowing down towards. It's on some religious channel. Wacha nione KBC Channel 1
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
I am ok with it.Islam doesn't have a Sabbath because Allah disbanded it.
Allah (God Almighty) disbanded it way before Quran was revealed. He disbanded it in the Bible! If you want me to show you, I will show you. I don't blame you if you don't know whole of your Bible. This is not a Christian issue so why are you referring to the Bible? Show me the original scriptures of the Torah that say the Sabbath was disbanded. You asked why Muslims do not have Sabbath, and I told you because it was already disbanded. And besides, it means God rested, and we know God does not need rest, He does not get tired in guarding His creation. It's blasphemous. Anyway, I'll show you where it was disbanded by God, way before the Quran was sent down. It is in the Bible itself... You want to quote a Bible and you don't know what the word of God is in the Bible? Is this a matter of knowing what the word of God is when convenient I already told you I am ok with Allah disbanding the Sabbath. @symbol, I have to show you the evidence. I don't have the 'original', you can ask your scholars for that, I'm using my copy of KJV that I bought from your book store. Now see how Quran tells the story. M/Mungu akawapatia mtihani, kupatikana kwa samaki siku ya jumamosi, yaani Sabato ili kuwajaribu imani yao. Quran 7:163 " And ask them (O Muhammad ) about the town that was by the sea, when they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday): when their fish came to them openly on the Sabbath day, and did not come to them on the day they had no Sabbath. Thus We made a trial of them for they used to rebel" (similar case in the Qur'an 4:154). Mtihani wenyewe ni gani?Nehemia 13:16 " Watu kutoka Tiro waliokuwa wakiishi Yerusalemu walileta samaki na aina nyingi za bidhaa na kuziuza Yerusalemu siku ya Sabato kwa watu wa Yuda. Niliwakemea wakuu wa Yuda na kuwaambia, "Ni uovu gani huu mnaofanya kuinajisi siku ya Sabato?" Baada ya kunajisi siku hiyo, M/Mungu alifanya nini?Hosea 2:11 Nitakomesha furaha na macheko yake yote: - sikukuu zake za mwaka, - sikukuu za Miandamo ya Mwezi, - siku zake za Sabato, - sikukuu zake zote zilizoamriwa. IMPORTANT: ON THAT DAY, GOD STOPPED MANY THINGS, NOT ONLY SABBATH 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:It's not just about length but irrelevance. You've lectured me about foreign football teams as if Harambee Stars was playing! And as if I wasn't supporting African teams!
Support whoever you want to support. Far be it for me to oppose you for that. But you know the 'special status' thing you guys have. Which is why you have to point out each Muslim in the teams. Imagine if Catholics were to do the same! How irritating would it be?
Right now your guys want us to watch some guys going round that stone you pray bowing down towards. It's on some religious channel. Wacha nione KBC Channel 1 We don't even know for sure if that story is true. You have shown before that you can make up things, for the sake of making some people look bad. So leave things we cannot prove alone. Even yourself you portray yourself as special. It is visible in your language full of abuses. You have tendency of accusing without verifying facts, and you don't want to verify, which means arrogance. And why are you watching TV at somebody else's place? Why don't you go watch at the comfort of your home 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:It's not just about length but irrelevance. You've lectured me about foreign football teams as if Harambee Stars was playing! And as if I wasn't supporting African teams!
Support whoever you want to support. Far be it for me to oppose you for that. But you know the 'special status' thing you guys have. Which is why you have to point out each Muslim in the teams. Imagine if Catholics were to do the same! How irritating would it be?
Right now your guys want us to watch some guys going round that stone you pray bowing down towards. It's on some religious channel. Wacha nione KBC Channel 1 We don't even know for sure if that story is true. You have shown before that you can make up things, for the sake of making some people look bad. So leave things we cannot prove alone. Even yourself you portray yourself as special. It is visible in your language full of abuses. You have tendency of accusing without verifying facts, and you don't want to verify, which means arrogance. And why are you watching TV at somebody else's place? Why don't you go watch at the comfort of your home WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR YOU TO STOP PLAYING VICTIM?? Now you've said I'm watching TV @somebody else's place! Unajua mimi niko wapi au nafanya kazi gani? I have asked you where I have insulted you na hujasema Who told you everybody spends the whole year round at home? Sio sisi wote watu wa 1 workstation without travel And for the many lies I allegedly tell, who came to wazua saying we shouldn't speculate about terror attacks then later changed the script and talked with confidence like Muhammad of Qyraysh and went along to spin a lie that Kikuyus were responsible for Eastleigh attacks because they're jealous of Somali success in biz??? Talk of the pot calling the glass black!(yes, I mean GLASS, transparent glass!!) If I had become personal like you have become here, I don't know what you'd be saying here now that you are always crying that I am attacking you and then you go on and say I am sick Reminds me of the youstopwestop hypocrisy/lie
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