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Lolest! wrote:for 239, see 234 1. Fact: you lie or misquote the Quran sometimes. Example Quran 20:95. Its says "O Samari?", not "O Samaritan". You wrote: '[Moses] said, "And what is your case, O Samaritan?"' Actual Quran text: '(Moses) said: "What then is thy case, O Samiri?"' 2. Fact: when the Israelites left Egypt, during the time of Moses, Samaritans were known. Refer to (4). 3. Fact: If Samiri is derived from Samaritan, then the Quran is right, based on fact (2) above. 4. Who was this Samiri? If it was his personal name, then it was sufficiently near the meaning of the original root word. What was the root for "Samiri"? If we look to old Egyptian, we have Shemer = A stranger, foreigner ( Sir E. A. Wallis Budge's Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary. 1920, p. 815 b). The name Shemer was known among the Hebrews is clear from the Old Testament: (a). In I Kings, 16:24 we read that Omri, king of Israel, the northern portion of the divided kingdom, who reigned about 903-896 B.C., built a new city, Samaria (b). City of Samaria came before its sister Jerusalem [Ezekiel 16:45,46] So as the Israelites left Egypt, they might quite well have among them an Egyptianised Hebrew bearing that nickname, "Samiri". And he led a revolt against Moses (pbuh). Let me know if you still have any issue about this. NOTE: Let us use facts, not matusi, when we debate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:Which Bible mentions Muhammad and how has it become a Muslim issue free from corruption? @symbol, which Bible do you use?  Net Bible. You mean you just search on Internet? It's okay, I just hope you don't end up in false site one day. Now, what does your Net Bible say about Muhammad?According to @Muriel, the Bible has so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia, about the last Days, even bout the Pope of the Roman Catholic. There must be something about Muhammad (pbuh). Please tell me. It's a bible. It was your claim that Islam worships exactly like the prophets which I think is impossible if you don't have a Sabbath.What happened to the 4th commandment and Qur'an being consistent with previous scripture? About the camels,at least you've acknowledged Islam goes against the Torah but now the argument is AlphDoti wrote:we cannot always speak on behalf of GOD Almighty 100%. We cannot know for sure why He, allowed some things and He forbade some things. Now I'm amazed.You want me to prove your claim that Muhammad was mentioned by name in the Bible?It's even more interesting that you mention Muhammad considering on this very thread you said you only use the Bible on Christian issues. @symbol, I promised to get back to you. Now, let me break it down. 1. About Sabbath, refer to post #218. According to Muslims, we don't believe that Almighty God requires rest. And besides, this was disbandled by God Himself 2. What does commandment (4) say? Is it about Sabbath? You are not aware that Sabbath was disbanded by God, after the Israelites became disobedient, are you? You remember the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, to conform to the pagan sun worship. This is because the Church was driven into Sun Worship. Then they droped the one talking about not making images to justify their idol worship. Then they split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments. You should be asking your fellow Christians about this Commandment, not Muslims. Every prophet has its time, and the current time, the prophet is Muhammad (pbuh), who is my prophet and your prophet because you live in this current time. 3. Where did I say Quran goes against the Torah? Muslims believe in all Divine Scriptures, but in their original form. SO if you have the original Torah, then I assure you, there will be no contradiction with Quran. But forget the notion that original Torah is exactly word by word to Quran, no. You see God sent to each nation a Prophet as a warner, and some of them with a Scripture as a guidance for that particular nation. And the scripture had same message, but not in exactly same word by word. But now, none of these Scriptures remain in their original form now! Remember, history has shown that Bible has suffered changes throughout the ages. So as Muslims, we follow all Commandments of God. 4. About Muhammad in the Bible. Do you know Hebrew, or do you know someone who understands Hebrew?
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:Which Bible mentions Muhammad and how has it become a Muslim issue free from corruption? @symbol, which Bible do you use? Net Bible. You mean you just search on Internet? It's okay, I just hope you don't end up in false site one day. Now, what does your Net Bible say about Muhammad?According to @Muriel, the Bible has so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia, about the last Days, even bout the Pope of the Roman Catholic. There must be something about Muhammad (pbuh). Please tell me. It's a bible. It was your claim that Islam worships exactly like the prophets which I think is impossible if you don't have a Sabbath.What happened to the 4th commandment and Qur'an being consistent with previous scripture? About the camels,at least you've acknowledged Islam goes against the Torah but now the argument is AlphDoti wrote:we cannot always speak on behalf of GOD Almighty 100%. We cannot know for sure why He, allowed some things and He forbade some things. Now I'm amazed.You want me to prove your claim that Muhammad was mentioned by name in the Bible?It's even more interesting that you mention Muhammad considering on this very thread you said you only use the Bible on Christian issues. @symbol, I promised to get back to you. Now, let me break it down. 1. About Sabbath, refer to post #218. According to Muslims, we don't believe that Almighty God requires rest. And besides, this was disbandled by God Himself 2. What does commandment (4) say? Is it about Sabbath? You are not aware that Sabbath was disbanded by God, after the Israelites became disobedient, are you? You remember the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, to conform to the pagan sun worship. This is because the Church was driven into Sun Worship. Then they droped the one talking about not making images to justify their idol worship. Then they split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments. You should be asking your fellow Christians about this Commandment, not Muslims. Every prophet has its time, and the current time, the prophet is Muhammad (pbuh), who is my prophet and your prophet because you live in this current time. 3. Where did I say Quran goes against the Torah? Muslims believe in all Divine Scriptures, but in their original form. SO if you have the original Torah, then I assure you, there will be no contradiction with Quran. But forget the notion that original Torah is exactly word by word to Quran, no. You see God sent to each nation a Prophet as a warner, and some of them with a Scripture as a guidance for that particular nation. And the scripture had same message, but not in exactly same word by word. But now, none of these Scriptures remain in their original form now! Remember, history has shown that Bible has suffered changes throughout the ages. So as Muslims, we follow all Commandments of God. 4. About Muhammad in the Bible. Do you know Hebrew, or do you know someone who understands Hebrew?  After telling @Lolest about facts.I think you should look up Hitchens' razorPost 160 - You're confirming what I said in that post.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:Which Bible mentions Muhammad and how has it become a Muslim issue free from corruption? @symbol, which Bible do you use? Net Bible. You mean you just search on Internet? It's okay, I just hope you don't end up in false site one day. Now, what does your Net Bible say about Muhammad?According to @Muriel, the Bible has so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia, about the last Days, even bout the Pope of the Roman Catholic. There must be something about Muhammad (pbuh). Please tell me. It's a bible. It was your claim that Islam worships exactly like the prophets which I think is impossible if you don't have a Sabbath.What happened to the 4th commandment and Qur'an being consistent with previous scripture? About the camels,at least you've acknowledged Islam goes against the Torah but now the argument is AlphDoti wrote:we cannot always speak on behalf of GOD Almighty 100%. We cannot know for sure why He, allowed some things and He forbade some things. Now I'm amazed.You want me to prove your claim that Muhammad was mentioned by name in the Bible?It's even more interesting that you mention Muhammad considering on this very thread you said you only use the Bible on Christian issues. @symbol, I promised to get back to you. Now, let me break it down. 1. About Sabbath, refer to post #218. According to Muslims, we don't believe that Almighty God requires rest. And besides, this was disbandled by God Himself 2. What does commandment (4) say? Is it about Sabbath? You are not aware that Sabbath was disbanded by God, after the Israelites became disobedient, are you? You remember the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, to conform to the pagan sun worship. This is because the Church was driven into Sun Worship. Then they droped the one talking about not making images to justify their idol worship. Then they split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments. You should be asking your fellow Christians about this Commandment, not Muslims. Every prophet has its time, and the current time, the prophet is Muhammad (pbuh), who is my prophet and your prophet because you live in this current time. 3. Where did I say Quran goes against the Torah? Muslims believe in all Divine Scriptures, but in their original form. SO if you have the original Torah, then I assure you, there will be no contradiction with Quran. But forget the notion that original Torah is exactly word by word to Quran, no. You see God sent to each nation a Prophet as a warner, and some of them with a Scripture as a guidance for that particular nation. And the scripture had same message, but not in exactly same word by word. But now, none of these Scriptures remain in their original form now! Remember, history has shown that Bible has suffered changes throughout the ages. So as Muslims, we follow all Commandments of God. 4. About Muhammad in the Bible. Do you know Hebrew, or do you know someone who understands Hebrew? After telling @Lolest about facts.I think you should look up Hitchens' razorPost 160 - You're confirming what I said in that post. @symbol, that means you are okay about the Sabbath. Now I can go back to your questions in post #160 ( which we are going round anyway, since we had handled that's why we are on post 200 and something)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:I know you can be clear when you want to be.
You have not shown the Qur'an to be the word of God consistent with previous scripture but instead have successfully shown Islam attempts to apply its views on Judaism and Christianity. @symbol the Quran is consistent with earlier scriptures revealed by God. I already told you in my post #36. Again, just like @lonest didn't read it, yet I addressed to you. Yes, the Quran is consistent with all Divine Scriptures, but in their original form. I already told you, holy books (Torah, Zabur, and Gospel) have been adulterated in the form of additions, deletions, and alterations from the original. Errors have crept into the message brought by Moses, David and Jesus (peace be upon them), done by the church knowingly or unknowingly. First of all,you didn't address anything to me in post #36 unless I have become @Robinhood.It seems you didn't read your own post because you are directing me to more claims. I gave you an opportunity to show me what the word of God is in previous scripture and either you can't or won't do it.So far it seems this an attempt to discredit the Bible to discourage the use of it in refuting the narrative you're telling. Additions,deletions and alterations are claims made by Islam against Judaism and Christianity but this is quite convenient because that is exactly what can be said of Islam.The burden of proof lies with you but you're trying to prove it with the same claims. Where is your evidence? First, I will say your own Christian scholars say the manuscript don't even agree with each other. Although there are old manuscripts and considered good quality, they show: poor copying quality, Many section editing, Verses skipped, Verses repeated, and total unattentive copyists.Your explain this by saying they were copied for show, not for reading. That is why you have Bible being being Edited now and then, and there are more than 1000 omissions. Now, the Bible versions e.g. KJV, NIV, NASV, ESV, New King James Version etc we can see: marginalised verses, omitted verses, changed verses, many of these verses changed, affect the important doctrines of Christianity   But now many adamant Christians say these changes in wording do not affect any of the important teachings. We can look at a few changes and you decide for yourself whether these changes are minor. 1. One of them is 1 John 5:7all of them get this one wrong, yet this is the single evidence of the trinity in the entire Bible. Note that it is difficult to prove the trinity in the new Bibles. This verse is in King James Version, and it says: " For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one" It clearly explains that there is a God the Father, a God the Son, and a God the Holy spirit, and all these are all one, not separate Gods, but One God. What has New Revised Version done to this? It just says: " For there are three that testify:" ... and that is the end of the verse!!! The Greek version used by NIV mutilates this verse on the authority of the Vaticanas. They did this against the supporter of King James version, before vaticanas copiers, The Treatises of Cyprian 1:1:6 c. 250AD, one century before the Vaticanas produced their own! There is another verse in support of trinity, changed by the NIV, Philipians 2:6, 1 Timothy 3:16 Important doctrines are affected by the changes made by the New Bibles. REFERENCE: Here and here
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:Which Bible mentions Muhammad and how has it become a Muslim issue free from corruption? @symbol, which Bible do you use? Net Bible. You mean you just search on Internet? It's okay, I just hope you don't end up in false site one day. Now, what does your Net Bible say about Muhammad?According to @Muriel, the Bible has so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia, about the last Days, even bout the Pope of the Roman Catholic. There must be something about Muhammad (pbuh). Please tell me. It's a bible. It was your claim that Islam worships exactly like the prophets which I think is impossible if you don't have a Sabbath.What happened to the 4th commandment and Qur'an being consistent with previous scripture? About the camels,at least you've acknowledged Islam goes against the Torah but now the argument is AlphDoti wrote:we cannot always speak on behalf of GOD Almighty 100%. We cannot know for sure why He, allowed some things and He forbade some things. Now I'm amazed.You want me to prove your claim that Muhammad was mentioned by name in the Bible?It's even more interesting that you mention Muhammad considering on this very thread you said you only use the Bible on Christian issues. @symbol, I promised to get back to you. Now, let me break it down. 1. About Sabbath, refer to post #218. According to Muslims, we don't believe that Almighty God requires rest. And besides, this was disbandled by God Himself 2. What does commandment (4) say? Is it about Sabbath? You are not aware that Sabbath was disbanded by God, after the Israelites became disobedient, are you? You remember the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, to conform to the pagan sun worship. This is because the Church was driven into Sun Worship. Then they droped the one talking about not making images to justify their idol worship. Then they split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments. You should be asking your fellow Christians about this Commandment, not Muslims. Every prophet has its time, and the current time, the prophet is Muhammad (pbuh), who is my prophet and your prophet because you live in this current time. 3. Where did I say Quran goes against the Torah? Muslims believe in all Divine Scriptures, but in their original form. SO if you have the original Torah, then I assure you, there will be no contradiction with Quran. But forget the notion that original Torah is exactly word by word to Quran, no. You see God sent to each nation a Prophet as a warner, and some of them with a Scripture as a guidance for that particular nation. And the scripture had same message, but not in exactly same word by word. But now, none of these Scriptures remain in their original form now! Remember, history has shown that Bible has suffered changes throughout the ages. So as Muslims, we follow all Commandments of God. 4. About Muhammad in the Bible. Do you know Hebrew, or do you know someone who understands Hebrew? After telling @Lolest about facts.I think you should look up Hitchens' razorPost 160 - You're confirming what I said in that post. @symbol, that means you are okay about the Sabbath. Now I can go back to your questions in post #160 ( which we are going round anyway, since we had handled that's why we are on post 200 and something) I am ok with it.Islam doesn't have a Sabbath because Allah disbanded it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti - I asked you to show me the word of God in the Bible.Where is it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:Which Bible mentions Muhammad and how has it become a Muslim issue free from corruption? @symbol, which Bible do you use? Net Bible. You mean you just search on Internet? It's okay, I just hope you don't end up in false site one day. Now, what does your Net Bible say about Muhammad?According to @Muriel, the Bible has so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia, about the last Days, even bout the Pope of the Roman Catholic. There must be something about Muhammad (pbuh). Please tell me. It's a bible. It was your claim that Islam worships exactly like the prophets which I think is impossible if you don't have a Sabbath.What happened to the 4th commandment and Qur'an being consistent with previous scripture? About the camels,at least you've acknowledged Islam goes against the Torah but now the argument is AlphDoti wrote:we cannot always speak on behalf of GOD Almighty 100%. We cannot know for sure why He, allowed some things and He forbade some things. Now I'm amazed.You want me to prove your claim that Muhammad was mentioned by name in the Bible?It's even more interesting that you mention Muhammad considering on this very thread you said you only use the Bible on Christian issues. @symbol, I promised to get back to you. Now, let me break it down. 1. About Sabbath, refer to post #218. According to Muslims, we don't believe that Almighty God requires rest. And besides, this was disbandled by God Himself 2. What does commandment (4) say? Is it about Sabbath? You are not aware that Sabbath was disbanded by God, after the Israelites became disobedient, are you? You remember the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday, to conform to the pagan sun worship. This is because the Church was driven into Sun Worship. Then they droped the one talking about not making images to justify their idol worship. Then they split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments. You should be asking your fellow Christians about this Commandment, not Muslims. Every prophet has its time, and the current time, the prophet is Muhammad (pbuh), who is my prophet and your prophet because you live in this current time. 3. Where did I say Quran goes against the Torah? Muslims believe in all Divine Scriptures, but in their original form. SO if you have the original Torah, then I assure you, there will be no contradiction with Quran. But forget the notion that original Torah is exactly word by word to Quran, no. You see God sent to each nation a Prophet as a warner, and some of them with a Scripture as a guidance for that particular nation. And the scripture had same message, but not in exactly same word by word. But now, none of these Scriptures remain in their original form now! Remember, history has shown that Bible has suffered changes throughout the ages. So as Muslims, we follow all Commandments of God. 4. About Muhammad in the Bible. Do you know Hebrew, or do you know someone who understands Hebrew? After telling @Lolest about facts.I think you should look up Hitchens' razorPost 160 - You're confirming what I said in that post. @symbol, that means you are okay about the Sabbath. Now I can go back to your questions in post #160 ( which we are going round anyway, since we had handled that's why we are on post 200 and something) I am ok with it.Islam doesn't have a Sabbath because Allah disbanded it. Allah (God Almighty) disbanded it way before Quran was revealed. He disbanded it in the Bible! If you want me to show you, I will show you. I don't blame you if you don't know whole of your Bible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti - I asked you to show me the word of God in the Bible.Where is it? @symbol, are you serious? You want me to show you the Words of God in the Bible with all the mess the Bible scholars have done? I have said again and again that the original Torah, Zabur and Injeel was the original words of God. Currently, none of these Scriptures remain in their original form now! Remember, history has shown that Bible has suffered changes throughout the ages. How many times do you want me to repeat this?
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
I am ok with it.Islam doesn't have a Sabbath because Allah disbanded it.
Allah (God Almighty) disbanded it way before Quran was revealed. He disbanded it in the Bible! If you want me to show you, I will show you. I don't blame you if you don't know whole of your Bible. This is not a Christian issue so why are you referring to the Bible? Show me the original scriptures of the Torah that say the Sabbath was disbanded.
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