@Ja-kom

thank you for the clarification...

Good people, may i also chip in, firstly there is nothing like trinity, thats a false doctrine. 2nd, the father son or whatever is not a name, these are titles. The only true baptism is in the name of the lord jesus christ, other than that its a false baptism.

Nice topic.for even after being a born again christian for 10yrs, i havnt fully grasped the doctrine of the trinity.But i guess that's why we call it a mystery.it's not rationalisable or fathomable in human terms. @alphdot you're misleading us.Paul said 'follow me as I follow Christ'.that is what being xtian is all about

The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is a difficult concept to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.
The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father.Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity—the Father.Add also what happened when He was being baptised,He(the son) was acknowledged by the Father and Had the Holy Spirit descent upon Him. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with human minds, we would rather focus on God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature.

@Kadonyele I'm not misleading. Did Paul really follow Jesus?

What does Jesus say (Mathew 5:17): "Don't think I've come to oppose the laws or the prophets. But I've come to fulfill (continue) what came before me." Therefore, Jesus stood where the other messengers stood and practiced what others practiced.

I will give you another example. What did God say in Leviticus 10:8? "Do not drink wine nor strong drink, nor your sons with you... Put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean; ... teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses."

Isaih 24:7 says the same. Even the music and dancing is forbidden by God during praying & worship.

Now came Paul. See how he formed a group (Acts of Apostles 11:26). Look at how he revokes what God had instructed (Timothy 1st 5:23).
"From now on, don't drink water only, drink a litlle wine...". Everything that God has forbidden, Paul is opposing and allowing.

To say the Torah is old or outdated clearly is note like Jesus. Or is it?

@Akowally,hapo sasa! Thats a good insight into this issue.

@AlpDoti,…..i see you ascribe to‘pauline Christianity’-a term applied to what some perceive as the religious teaching unique to Paul’s writings and distinct from the gospel of Jesus. That is, Jesus taught one thing, and Paul taught something completely different. That the Christianity of today has little to do with Jesus’ teachings; rather, it is the product of Paul’s corruption of those teachings.

I believe that the New Testament is a unified whole: the Gospels present the life and work of the Jesus the Messiah; the Epistles explain the meaning and scope of Jesus’ work and apply it to daily living. For example, Matthew 28 narrates the fact of Jesus’ resurrection, and 1 Corinthians 15 explains the significance of His resurrection. Mark 15:38 tells of the temple veil being torn in two when Jesus died; Hebrews 10:11-23 reveals the import of that event. The same Holy Spirit who inspired the Gospels also inspired the Epistles to give us a fuller understanding of God’s plan of salvation….So why the digration from what is inspired by the Holy Spirit?

However, those who theorize about a separate pauline Christianity tend to believe that Paul was a charlatan, an evangelical copycat who succeeded in twisting Jesus’ message of love into something Jesus himself would never recognize. It was Paul, not Jesus, who originated the “Christianity” of today.That…….
1) Jesus was not divine. He never claimed to be God, and he never intended to start a new religion.

2) The Bible is not an inspired book and is riddled with contradictions. None of the Bible, (save possibly the book of James), was written by anyone who knew Jesus. There are fragments of Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels, but it is difficult to discern what he really said.

3) Paul was never a Pharisee and was not highly educated. His “conversion” was either a personal dream experience or an outright fraud. His claims to be an apostle were attempts to further his own authority in the church.

4) Pauline theological “inventions” include a) the deity of Jesus; b) salvation by grace through faith; c) salvation through the blood of Jesus; d) the sinless nature of Jesus; e) the concept of original sin; and f) the Holy Spirit. None of these “new doctrines” were accepted by Jesus’ true followers.

5) The Gnostic Gospels- (part of The New Testament apocrypha…. a number of writings by early Christians that give accounts of Jesus and his teachings, the nature of God, or the teachings of his apostles and of their lives) are closer to the truth about Jesus than are the traditional four Gospels of the Bible.

The concept of “Pauline Christianity” represents an outright attack on the Bible as the Word of God. Adherents of the “Pauline Christianity” theory are truly misrepresenting Jesus’ teachings. They choose to believe His words on love but deny His teachings on judgment (such as Matthew 24). They insist on a human Jesus, denying His divinity, although Jesus plainly taught His equality with God in passages such as John 10:30. They want a “loving” Jesus without having to accept Him as Lord and Savior.
Paul’s apostleship is attested by amongst other things,the testimony of the other apostles. Peter, far from being Paul’s enemy, wrote this about him: “Our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:15-16).Paul in no way taught anything outside what the Lord Jesus Himself taught.

@Mburuke,naona umesoma that one verse that really drives my Christian Life,its my personal verse.
By sending Jesus to earth, God fulfilled His promise of a Savior from sin. Unlike us, Jesus never sinned. Thus, God sacrificed Jesus as our perfect Substitute. He took the punishment we deserve for sin: death. “God made Him [Jesus], who knew no sin, to be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Thus, Jesus was more than a Prophet. God made Him Savior and Lord! (See Philippians 2:6-11.) Jesus had to die because we cannot reach paradise on our own merit. Remember, the holy God cannot let sin go unpunished. If we bore our own sins, we would suffer judgment in the flames of hell. Praise God, He kept His promise to send and sacrifice the Substitute (Jesus) who bore the sins of those who trust in Him.
Going to ma signature,……just as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned. . . . So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” This is where you say a Big Amen!

My child cannot be baptised in Church because we never wedded.