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tycho
#181 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2014 5:56:39 PM
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Symbols, the laws of physics are what's known in a certain context. Knowledge and context are changing; therefore laws are also changing.
symbols
#182 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2014 5:58:18 PM
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I'll assume what you're saying is also true in this timeline.
tycho
#183 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2014 6:06:09 PM
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symbols wrote:
I'll assume what you're saying is also true in this timeline.


Not assume. Test, verify, without ceasing. Then the timeline will take care of itself.
symbols
#184 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2014 6:19:11 PM
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tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
I'll assume what you're saying is also true in this timeline.


Not assume. Test, verify, without ceasing. Then the timeline will take care of itself.


If I was to test and verify that something is true to the extent of its timeline,I would conclude that what you're saying and what I've verified are true according to this timeline.
kamundu
#185 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2014 9:54:13 PM
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@Muriel....I didnt Know this....im quite informed now...Thanks!
At the end of it all, even with all this sinister editions...the name of our Lord Jesus Christ is still beinf spread.
Ive heard stories of guys who read Gideons bible...the kasmall one...and became Christians
Sasa ill take my KJV more seriously
Peace in our Homeland.
AlphDoti
#186 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:48:38 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
That was a nice try about the quranic confusion of Mary, Jesus' mother, and Miriam, Moses' sister

But that is not the only historical error. In a book supposedly coming from God. Containing the very words of God. Surah 20 records:

Quote:
"[Moses] said, "O Aaron, what prevented you, when you saw them going astray, from following me? Then have you disobeyed my order?" [Aaron] said, "O son of my mother, do not seize [me] by my beard or by my head. Indeed, I feared that you would say, 'You caused division among the Children of Israel, and you did not observe [or await] my word.'" [Moses] said, "And what is your case, O Samaritan?"


Who were the Samaritans?

They were a mixed race group made up of the remnants of the northern kingdom of Israel who were not carried to captivity and immigrants.

It came up looong after Israel had settled in Canaan, had judges, then kings, then had a split in kingdoms and the second kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians

This Samaritan group, named after the town of Samaria could not have been in existence in the time of Musa!

Muhammad wrote his confusions and even messed on historical accounts!

@lonest! The name in Chapter 20 verse 95 says: "(Moses) said: 'What then is your case, O Samari?'"

I don't know where you got "Samaritan" from?

After speaking to Aaron, Moses now turns to Samari, and Samari's reply in the next verse 96 sums up his character as character-painting. He evades the issue about idol making and inventing falsehood. He claims he saw what everybody else dint see, he says he saw something supernatural in the footprints of Moses; perhaps he thinks a little flattery would make Moses forgive him.

NOTE: I ASKED WAZUANS TO GOOGLE QURAN 20:95 AND PROVE @LONEST WRONG, GUILTY OF MISQUOTING.
Muriel
#187 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 8:56:51 AM
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kamundu wrote:
@Muriel....I didnt Know this....im quite informed now...Thanks!
At the end of it all, even with all this sinister editions...the name of our Lord Jesus Christ is still beinf spread.
Ive heard stories of guys who read Gideons bible...the kasmall one...and became Christians
Sasa ill take my KJV more seriously


Personally I started with the NIV. I still have it. I used to mark and make notes all over it, you know, the key points till it was 'falling apart'. (A smart alec quote I have not forgotten is the bible is bread for daily use not cake for special occasions)

I have not thrown it away, I still use it for reference and comparison. they are both now falling apart, lol.

But there are certain things I now know that I could not have known had someone not thrown a spanner in my NIV study works as it were.
AlphDoti
#188 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 11:17:59 PM
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Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
AlphDoti wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
That was a nice try about the quranic confusion of Mary, Jesus' mother, and Miriam, Moses' sister

But that is not the only historical error. In a book supposedly coming from God. Containing the very words of God. Surah 20 records:

Quote:
"[Moses] said, "O Aaron, what prevented you, when you saw them going astray, from following me? Then have you disobeyed my order?" [Aaron] said, "O son of my mother, do not seize [me] by my beard or by my head. Indeed, I feared that you would say, 'You caused division among the Children of Israel, and you did not observe [or await] my word.'" [Moses] said, "And what is your case, O Samaritan?"


Who were the Samaritans?

They were a mixed race group made up of the remnants of the northern kingdom of Israel who were not carried to captivity and immigrants.

It came up looong after Israel had settled in Canaan, had judges, then kings, then had a split in kingdoms and the second kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians

This Samaritan group, named after the town of Samaria could not have been in existence in the time of Musa!

Muhammad wrote his confusions and even messed on historical accounts!

@lonest! The name in Chapter 20 verse 95 says: "(Moses) said: 'What then is your case, O Samari?'"

I don't know where you got "Samaritan" from?

After speaking to Aaron, Moses now turns to Samari, and Samari's reply in the next verse 96 sums up his character as character-painting. He evades the issue about idol making and inventing falsehood. He claims he saw what everybody else dint see, he says he saw something supernatural in the footprints of Moses; perhaps he thinks a little flattery would make Moses forgive him.

NOTE: I ASKED WAZUANS TO GOOGLE QURAN 20:95 AND PROVE @LONEST WRONG, GUILTY OF MISQUOTING.

@lonest! I have not seen your reply yet smile
Anyway, In the meantime, i want to give you some evidence.

Your question was, Samaritans came after Moses, yet the Quran is mentioning one Samari(tan) among Moses and his people, therefore according to you Quran is false.

Now i'll prove to you again that the Quran is one book with no doubt, with a challenge to those who want to disprove it, and many have tried in vain, many years

And I'll refer to the Bible where we'll note two interesting facts.

Number one: "The word of the LORD came to me: "... confront
Jerusalem with her detestable practices and say, 'This is
what the Sovereign LORD says to Jerusalem: ...your father
was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite. [Bible, Ezekiel 16:1-3]

The above chapter describes Jerusalem and it's adulterous practices.

Number two: "You (Jerusalem) are a daughter..., who despised her husband.. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. Your older sister was Samaria,..." [Bible, Ezekiel 16:45,46]

We can see from above verse that Samaria is the older sister of Jerusalem. The Bible recognises this. Jerusalem is a very old city and Samaria is even older.

Where do we find that Jerusalem is an old city? In the Bible, Genesis:
"After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer... Then Melchizedek king of Salem [Jerusalem] brought out
bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High," [Bible, Genesis 14:17,18]

We can see from above that Abraham (pbuh) met the King of Jerusalem. Now connect this to where the Bible says that Samaria is Jerusalem's older sister. So We see the Quran referring to a Samaritan in the time of Moses (pbuh), as they fled from Egypt, during the Exodus.

Now to hit last nail to our discussion: "In the thirty-first year of Asa king of Judah, Omri became king of Israel... He bought the hill of Samaria from Shemer... and built a city on the hill, calling it Samaria, after Shemer, the name of the former owner of the hill." [ Bible, 1 Kings 16:23,24]

According to the above passage, Samaritans are named after
a city, named after a hill, named after a previous owner of the hill whose name was Shemer. Then we can see that the names Shemer or even Samiri had been in use long before there was a city built in the area.

CONCLUSION: The name Samari or Samaritan was use before Moses & Aaron (peace be young them).

IMPORTANT: BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU COPY ATTACKS ON ISLAM FROM. SOME PEOPLE HAVE CREATED WEBSITES TO CRITISIZE AND MALIGN ISLAM. SO BE CAREFUL.
Lolest!
#189 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 11:32:25 PM
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can you make up your mind whether as-samiri means samaritan or not??
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
AlphDoti
#190 Posted : Tuesday, July 01, 2014 6:21:54 AM
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Location: Kenya
Lolest! wrote:
can you make up your mind whether as-samiri means samaritan or not??

What do you think it means? You're the one lying and misquoting the Quran. The verse you're trying discredit says "Samiri" and not "Samaritan". I asked you to tell us where you picked that lie from. I replied in my post #186 but you never replied, because you realized your mistake.

If "Samari" means "Samaritan" then what is the essence your question. I've replied in post #188 to disprove your lie that Quran talks about them before their existence during the time of Moses. I've proved to you that actually this name was used in the time of Abraham, many years before Moses. So the Quran is right.

And if "Samari" does not mean "Samaritan", then there is NO issue. It means the Quran is talking about another people. So still the Quran is right.

NOTE: I CHALLENGE YOU TO SHOW ME WHERE YOU GOT THAT VERSE WITH WORD "SAMARITAN" FROM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN QURAN.
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