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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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The president live from state house on Eurobond!! Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/16/2012 Posts: 660
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Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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Uhuru needs to realize that the local interest rates will not come down until he deals with the budget deficit and comes up with a credible policy of budgetary restraint. His tax and spend policy will cripple the private sector and increase inflation.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Eurobond, Sukuk and Sovereign Wealth Funds will indeed put the bankers in a tight corner when the lending squeeze comes. And it is coming soon! The lending rates will definitely head below 10%. http://bit.ly/1pB6uAA$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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My take. From Elliott Wave and Socionomic perspective: The success of the Euro Bond occurs at a very interesting juncture. In Kenya we are celebrating, yet celebration of success occur at market tops (which is the case with NSE 20 index). Going forward i expect the dramatic fall I have been predicting to occur (mind you, we may have an interim rally but overall the market is headed lower. by end of 2014 NSe may be printing levels people here cannot fathom at the moment). I expect bond rates to rise (in line with the chart I posted in a previous post). Global equities are at an interesting turn. The US contracted by 3% in a previous quarter. Means the forces of deflation are taking over. a dramatic fall in DJIA is in the cards quite soon. Gold (and commodities in general) should drop too. Pessimistic? Yes. But the market follows the path of the waves which is human psychology in action. NB: Don't kill the messenger. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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[/quote=hisah]Eurobond, Sukuk and Sovereign Wealth Funds will indeed put the bankers in a tight corner when the lending squeeze comes. And it is coming soon! The lending rates will definitely head below 10%. http://bit.ly/1pB6uAA[/quote] @hisah not so fast, looks like the bubble is building up on junk bonds http://www.nzherald.co.n...3&objectid=11266834
That does not mean that Kenya's fundamentals have improved. This article is more balanced and to the point http://www.the-star.co.k...ess-comes-immense-risks
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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Quote:Fears are mounting of a potential bubble in the high-yield bond market, where a rash of new buyers has pushed prices close to record highs, despite worries over market liquidity. Mainstream investors have flocked to what was once an esoteric asset class as the “hunt for yield” has intensified amid ultra-low interest rates. http://www.ft.com/intl/c...-b923-00144feabdc0.html
Quote:“We have become extremely nervous about this area. There has been a huge stampede into this new asset class, where current prices do not fairly reflect the underlying credit risk and liquidity risk attached,” he said. Mr Miller said he was aware of at least three US investment banks that had allocations of 5-10 per cent to high-yield bonds in the model portfolios they construct for clients, a figure he believed would have been zero just five to 10 years ago.....“Investors seem to have forgotten that these bonds once had default rates of 20 per cent plus.”
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Definitely this won't happen over night. And yes, junk bond market is in a boiler room waiting to release the pressure valve.$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Interesting to see KE treasury talk of diversification on the international bond market. The islamic (sukuk) bond market offers a good ground for stability. Also the asian bond (samurai - yen based) has plenty to offer. Though I don't see any mention about dim sum (asian - yuan based) bonds. Treasury should also go for the dim sum bonds which is now growing and has plenty to offer. A lot of chingland interest is in KE anyway e.g. A dim sum bond for LAPSSET to raise those KES trillions. This way KE diversifies the FX risks and is a better way to guard against KES weakness than CBK flooding the market all the time with USD - a short term and expensive remedy. Once gok has floats in eurobond, sukuk, samurai and dim sum markets, local firms can also find it easier to issue bonds on the same. This will take the punch bowl for the local banks and lead to lending rates dipping as the lending market re-adjusts. If the above is implemented nicely, single digit lending rates will show up in KE. But they should first target the mortgage market and asset finance. Cheap personal loans should be discouraged since they lead to consumerism expansion which burns KES vs USD and rarely provides any economical gains. Until KE has a strong industrial and agri-econ base, consumerism should be discouraged. **Obviously for KE to succeed the international bond monies should be well utilized by gok. Otherwise the mess will fry the econ badly.** $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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mkonomtupu wrote:Quote:Fears are mounting of a potential bubble in the high-yield bond market, where a rash of new buyers has pushed prices close to record highs, despite worries over market liquidity. Mainstream investors have flocked to what was once an esoteric asset class as the “hunt for yield” has intensified amid ultra-low interest rates. http://www.ft.com/intl/c...-b923-00144feabdc0.html
Quote:“We have become extremely nervous about this area. There has been a huge stampede into this new asset class, where current prices do not fairly reflect the underlying credit risk and liquidity risk attached,” he said. Mr Miller said he was aware of at least three US investment banks that had allocations of 5-10 per cent to high-yield bonds in the model portfolios they construct for clients, a figure he believed would have been zero just five to 10 years ago.....“Investors seem to have forgotten that these bonds once had default rates of 20 per cent plus.” Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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hisah wrote: .. But they should first target the mortgage market and asset finance. Cheap personal loans should be discouraged since they lead to consumerism expansion which burns KES vs USD and rarely provides any economical gains. Until KE has a strong industrial and agri-econ base, consumerism should be discouraged.
**Obviously for KE to succeed the international bond monies should be well utilized by gok. Otherwise the mess will fry the econ badly.**
Keynesians believe consumption spending is the key to economic growth. And that's where the problem starts coz central banks will encourage consumption even if you have to take a loan to satisfy it. The culprit to economic growth is the central bank interference. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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hisah wrote:
**Obviously for KE to succeed the international bond monies should be well utilized by gok. Otherwise the mess will fry the econ badly.**
For me there lies the elephant in the room. You can do all these nice things but the ultimate use of the funds matter most .... especially what %age goes to sustainable development! Reduction in corrupt dealings is also key! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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mnandii wrote:Yes. A promise is a debt so am paying mine. Above is the long term chart of 91 DAY treasury bills rate (weekly average). From the 27.204 top to 0.783 low, the rates traced out a clear corrective wave consisting of wave A, then a triangle and then wave C. Wave C = 0.628% of wave A. 0.628 is just a few from the Golden Ratio 0.618%. The move from the 0.783 low to 20.799 high is one of two alternatives. It's either a developing impulse wave consisting of waves (i) (ii) i ii. OR it is a simple zigzag pattern. It will take probably a decade for either option to become clear. Fortunately, we don't have to wait years to make a prediction of rates in the short term since waves are fractal in nature. The drop from 20.799 to 5.11 low is also in three waves. Below is the blow up.. The rise from 5.11 to 10.498 is impulse and that is the key. Impulse waves determine the direction of the trend. So after the impulse we have a three wave (zigzag) move back to 8.756. CONCLUSION: 91 DAY treasury bill rates are expected to continue rising. This is also in line with deflationary pressures affecting the global markets. When treasury rates rise, the prices fall. Quote:Conventional analysts who have not studied the Great Depression or who expect bonds to move 'contra-cyclically' to stocks are going to be shocked to see their bonds plummeting in value right along with the stock market. Ironically, economists will see the first wave down in bonds (and first wave up in rates) as a sign of inflation and recovery, when in fact, it will be the opposite. Conquer The Crash, Pg 145.Quote:As debt prices fall, yields rise. If you are in long term bonds, you're stuck with only the 'falling prices' part of the equation. It's better to own short term instruments, which can keep rolling over at ever-higher yields to compensate substantially for price losses. So, generally speaking, for safety, it is better to own high-quality short-term debt than long-term debt.
Conquer The crash, Pg 150. Best to all. #Noted
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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FRM2011 on Friday, June 20, 2014 4:56:31 AM wrote: Morning wazuans,
Would someone kindly explain the huge jump in yesterday's 91-day t bill auction. From 9.275% to 10.25%.
And this week up again from the 10.250% to 11.438% https://centralbank.go.ke/images...20dated%2030.06.2014.pdf
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Oh my!?! Past 11% which I thought would take a few weeks to break?!
@kizee1 - What the heck is happening in the liquidity dark pools? $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Could be a rush to get high yielding paper before the low interest regime comes, hopefully from 8th of next month when MPC meets. Don't ask me how.It confounds experts. More like kusema na kuTender It also happened in Dec 2011 when some competitive bids were filled at or about 25%. #AndThenThe Fall @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Could be a rush to get high yielding paper before the low interest regime comes, hopefully from 8th of next month when MPC meets. Don't ask me how.I confounds experts. More like kusema na kuTender It also happened in Dec 2011 when some competitive bids were filled at or about 25%. #AndThenThe Fall I fail to understand why we shld expect low interest soon. My take is that we are mixing two important issues. The bond was successful. And that is all there is to it. We have the money. But why shld we expect the money to suddenly create a low interest regime. Even considering the projects that the money should go to, they take years to be completed. And when complete there is no assurance that the returns will march the expected cost of the bonds. With the bond money we are now assuming that everything is going to work like clockwork and lead to low interest rates. My take is that we are in high interest regime ( as even shown with the huge rises in 91 Day rates the past few weeks). And this regime is here for a good part of this year and next. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/...-sh650m-33km-tarmac-roadA tarmac road which the National Gov. had said would cost 1.6 BILLION to build has been built at 650 MILLION and in 3 months! There is waste everywhere in Govmnt. And don't expect the attitude to change soon. That is the fate awaiting awaiting your bond money. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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mnandii wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Could be a rush to get high yielding paper before the low interest regime comes, hopefully from 8th of next month when MPC meets. Don't ask me how.I confounds experts. More like kusema na kuTender It also happened in Dec 2011 when some competitive bids were filled at or about 25%. #AndThenThe Fall I fail to understand why we shld expect low interest soon. My take is that we are mixing two important issues. The bond was successful. And that is all there is to it. We have the money. But why shld we expect the money to suddenly create a low interest regime. Even considering the projects that the money should go to, they take years to be completed. And when complete there is no assurance that the returns will march the expected cost of the bonds. With the bond money we are now assuming that everything is going to work like clockwork and lead to low interest rates. My take is that we are in high interest regime ( as even shown with the huge rises in 91 Day rates the past few weeks). And this regime is here for a good part of this year and next. what a way to put it. Here is what we are planning to use the eurobond for 1.The Nairobi urban commuter railway 2.The dredging of the Lamu Port 3.Galana irrigation project 4.Energy Sector
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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mnandii wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Could be a rush to get high yielding paper before the low interest regime comes, hopefully from 8th of next month when MPC meets. Don't ask me how.I confounds experts. More like kusema na kuTender It also happened in Dec 2011 when some competitive bids were filled at or about 25%. #AndThenThe Fall I fail to understand why we shld expect low interest soon. My take is that we are mixing two important issues. The bond was successful. And that is all there is to it. We have the money. But why shld we expect the money to suddenly create a low interest regime. Even considering the projects that the money should go to, they take years to be completed. And when complete there is no assurance that the returns will march the expected cost of the bonds. With the bond money we are now assuming that everything is going to work like clockwork and lead to low interest rates. My take is that we are in high interest regime ( as even shown with the huge rises in 91 Day rates the past few weeks). And this regime is here for a good part of this year and next. I fear what you have said could be true judging by the results of the last 2 auctions. Someone somewhere is making some real money. With the difference between cbr and 91 day paper at almost 3%, i wonder what will make the banksters lend mwananchi money. No wonder the oversubscription. Seems like we are headed back to the Moiconomics days. #WhereIsKibakinomics @SufficientlyP
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