@symbols, today I was thinking; something is true to the extent of its timeline.

Now, I realized that the Christian timeline ended with the fall of the Roman empire, and that of Islam with Mohammed's death. After that, it has been confusion and the emergence of the 'new world order'.

@Lonest says, the God in the Quran didn't know the difference between Mariam the mother of Jesus and Miriam the sister of Aaron and Musa. Therefore, he concludes that the Quran is not the word of God.
That is his vision, his logic.

Now when a Muslim explains, when I explain that this is a respectful way of talking by the Quran, as the Quran 19:27 says: "So they said, O Mary, truely an amazing thing has thou brought"

Alleging, insinuating, that how is it that you brought this child into this world without a husband. Insinuating that the child is illegitimate.

So what is she to do?
Can she tell them that you know I heard voices and I carried the baby for 9 months and now I delivered it and I brought it here. Were they in the mood to listen to her? No!

So they say
"O! Sister of Aaron, your father was not an evil man, nor your mother a loose woman."

They meant
...you're coming from such a noble family. Of the priests of the tribe of Israel. Because Musa, and Aaron were the imams of the Israelite!

Remember, leadership was a family tradition among the Jews.And as such, you coming from a noble ancestry of the family of Aaron, and your father was a good man, your mother was a virtuous woman,
how is that you brought this child without a husband!

So what is she to do?
She points to the baby. She knew this is not ordinary baby. And the baby by miracle, Jesus Christ (pbuh) spoke from his mother's arms.

But charge still remains that the prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh) didn't know the difference between this woman Mariam, the mother of Jesus,
and that Miariam sister of Musa and Aaron, the difference of 1400 years!

But this explanation I have given, @lonest will shake his head, refusing to accept. He says no, Muhammad didn't know the difference. So this can't be the word of God.

Let us see now, the answer to this problem is in your book.
The Bible, it is in your Bible, in the first book of New testament, chapter 1, verse 1, Mathew 1:1

What does it say? I want to ask @lonest to read the genealogy of Jesus Christ (pbuh)!

I like how this thread has turned out so far. More informational and educative than preachy and whatever.

We have acquired information we earlier did not have about Islam and Qur'an and of course bible. We have managed to "lock out" respective enthusiasts who are hot on feeling but cold on knowledge.

Alphdoti, now that you know that:

(a) there are some issues that you cannot articulate about Islam and Qur'an because they are simply "inarticulatable" aka ridiculous aka illogical aka false.
(b) but you cannot stand the falsehood, the alterations being palmed off to you as "bible"
(c) yet you know about and have and occasionally read the received text and you have perceived the stark difference between the received text and the altered texts.

where does that leave you and me?

Let me try again

We agree that Jews did not recognise Jesus as the messiah. This is the Islamic position, right?

Now if Jews did not think Jesus was the Messiah, why would they call him Messiah? Why would the all knowing God say they called Jesus Messiah?


Contradiction!

I hasten to add that having or fighting for the "right" bible is nothing. Useless. Vain.

It won't do you good if you have it, but don't read it.
Or if you read it but don't understand - it like Alphdoti.

But lack of "understanding" the main reason, is not an excuse for in effect "disputing".