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Muriel wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, stop laughing and engage intelligently. Go back to issues we have raised and comment. There is one up there waiting for you.
Sorry, dear Alphdoti for laughing hysterically You must mean this: Quote:Let me ask you two questions:
1. Are sure that the Bible is holy?
2. Does "holy" means it's God's Word and that the Bible is free from error? 1. The bible being "holy" Holiness is not dependent on man and his actions or inactions. Yaani, man is not the one to make something "holy". And what God has made "holy", or in my lingo "holyrized", man cannot "unholyrize". 2. Picture this scenario - it is not real just for illustration purposes Suppose God inspired someone (lets call her Ann) to write, say, "This pen should not be uncapped." then in my wisdom I, Muriel, reprint that particular text (and circulate it widely) but I add "for a long time" such that the statement now reads "This pen should not be uncapped for a long time." Now my printout is all over the world and someone in Kenya, (lets call him Alphdoti) starts saying that God did not inspire Ann, what Ann wrote was wrong and such like things. @muriel so what is holiness dependent on? And what is your point in your example where Ann is given Book by God. God tells her xyz. But she writes uvwxyz? Laugh Laugh Laugh You see! What I have been saying all along!!! Fallacies galore! Holiness is dependent on God. He is the one who makes something holy. God tells Ann to write xyz and she writes xyz. I am the one who adds uvw. Yet here you are accusing her of of writing uvwxyz!! I am the one who adds uvw. Me! Me! Me! Not Ann! 1. God tells Ann to write xyz 2. Ann writes xyz 3. I, Muriel, adds uvw. 4. Leave God alone 5. Leave Ann alone she wrote the correct thing. 6. Any discrepancy in the text ask me, the culprit. I am the one who added changed. Have you seen? Please define "holy". First of all have you seen? Answer me first before you ask your questions. Today I can take the koran and take my time to make emendations here and there within it and then convince some pals of mine that that is the real deal koran. They can believe me and my printout can have worldwide circulation. I can even type the word 'Holy' on the cover so that it reads 'Holy Koran'. Have you seen? Perhaps I should add that lets say maybe the writer of this Koran was inspired by God to write out these things but me the 'editor' am not. I'm just sitting in the office with my computer editing, changing, adjusting, deleting, adding, accentuating, suppressing, then I print out a 'holy koran'. Lets say I'm Mohammed ,,,, Have you seen? @muriel, you can try this. This challenge has not been given today, it was given 1400 ago. "No doubt We have sent down the Qur'an and surely We will guard it (from corruption)" Quran 15:19. This verse is a challenge to mankind. It is cleat=r fact that more than 1400 years have passed and not a single word of this Qur'an has been changed, even though disbelievers tried their utmost to change it, but they failed miserably in their efforts. SO be our guest!On the contrary, all the other books (Torah, Psalms, Gospel etc) have been changed.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/9/2011 Posts: 786 Location: Mashinani
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I have NIV,RSV,KJV and NLT Peace in our Homeland.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote: You see the church continuously carrying out additions, deletions, and alterations of the Bible to suit what they want. Which begs the question: is the Bible God's word? Our discussion suggests that the same can be said of Islam and the Qur'an. Prove.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/9/2011 Posts: 786 Location: Mashinani
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kamundu wrote:I have NIV,RSV,KJV and NLT All have the same fundamental message Peace in our Homeland.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:uuuuuuwi still on this?
Where's hambuglar to come and scatter ye all? @kysse scatter? Why does talking about God stuff pierce your heart? Many ladies have fear for God...  Yes scatter scatter you kabisa. Fear of God, wacha tu. See you will never succeed in convincing us christians,neither can we convince you,so you are just writing a loooong book...
You see our plea is "Say O people, Christians and Jews. Come to common terms as between us and you. That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that erect not, from ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God.) Quran 53:64
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kamundu wrote:I have NIV,RSV,KJV and NLT Why do you have all these? What is their difference?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kysse wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:uuuuuuwi still on this?
Where's hambuglar to come and scatter ye all? @kysse scatter? Why does talking about God stuff pierce your heart? Many ladies have fear for God... Yes scatter scatter you kabisa. Fear of God, wacha tu. See you cannot can never christians,neither can they convince you,so you are just writing a book...
You see our plea is "Say O people, Christians and Jews. Come to common terms as between us and you. That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that erect not, from ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God.) Quran 53:64
@kysse thank you for highlighting that. It gives emphasize. Many people shy away from studying their scripture. Many Christians do not understand their Bible, let alone understand the Quran. I'm sure a lot of good could be achieved if Muslims and Christians would improve their knowledge of both Bible and Quran.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
1.Thank you for the link to the hadiths.We've established your two Islamic sources.I assume no other sources have been approved for use?
2.You didn't answer why you use KJV.Why and when is it appropriate or inappropriate for use? Also,how do you distinguish what is from God and what is not without referencing Islamic sources?
3.Where did @guru respond to me? Care to explain what she said and where it came from.Where is @guru or Islam getting the understanding of the beast from and what does it say?
1. There are two Islamic sources; the Qur'an and authentic Hadiths (Sahih Bukhari). 2. Why I use KJV? I use it to respond to any Christian issue. I happen to own a copy of KJV. When is it appropriate? In the Bible there are three words: a) the word of God, (b) the word of prophet of God, and (c) the word of historian. 3. Let us wait for @guru to respond about the issue of beast. I'm handling too many of you already here  You use it to respond to Christian issues.So the word of God in the bible is Christian? What is the word of God and His prophets in the bible and how did you come to that conclusion(like I had asked without using Islamic sources)? You're handling to many of us?Hmmmm. Because I'm using the Qur'an as standard. You can explain the Bible and correct the Jewish and Christian prejudice with the context of the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the last revealed Book which has never been corrupted or adulterated. Its content have been guaranteed by God Almighty in surah 2:2 " This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt...". On the contrary, all the other holy books (Torah, Psalms, Gospel etc) have been adulterated in the form of additions, deletions, or alterations from the original, by the 'hidden' forces as told by @Kamundu. You're quoting the Qur'an as evidence for the legitimacy of the Qur'an?Ok.What you also consider to be the word of God in the Bible and its interpretation is again only reinforced by the Qur'an and Hadiths without producing the original scripture.In essence it's a proposal of what should be considered scripture and how it should interpreted while admitting you can't produce the evidence to back up your claims. I'm curious,did Jesus recognize previous scriptures and prophets excluding the Torah and Psalms? @symbols your questions are not clear.
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote: You see the church continuously carrying out additions, deletions, and alterations of the Bible to suit what they want. Which begs the question: is the Bible God's word? Our discussion suggests that the same can be said of Islam and the Qur'an. Prove. Post 113Islam came after Judaism and Christianity with claims and interpretations about them it couldn't back up.The burden of proof lies with you.The only argument you can put across is Islam is true because Islam says it is.How different is that from any denomination coming up and saying the same thing?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/9/2011 Posts: 786 Location: Mashinani
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AlphDoti wrote:kamundu wrote:I have NIV,RSV,KJV and NLT Why do you have all these? What is their difference? No difference really- KJV has very old english words and phrases thou,art etc NIV is easier to read by non english speakers, RSV was the recommended one by my high school ( i got it in Form 1) while NLT was a gift, and has a concordance ( indepth study( within it. I recommend you get NLT, you will understand the bible better. All are the same however, Peace in our Homeland.
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