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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
1.Thank you for the link to the hadiths.We've established your two Islamic sources.I assume no other sources have been approved for use?
2.You didn't answer why you use KJV.Why and when is it appropriate or inappropriate for use? Also,how do you distinguish what is from God and what is not without referencing Islamic sources?
3.Where did @guru respond to me? Care to explain what she said and where it came from.Where is @guru or Islam getting the understanding of the beast from and what does it say?
1. There are two Islamic sources; the Qur'an and authentic Hadiths (Sahih Bukhari). 2. Why I use KJV? I use it to respond to any Christian issue. I happen to own a copy of KJV. When is it appropriate? In the Bible there are three words: a) the word of God, (b) the word of prophet of God, and (c) the word of historian. 3. Let us wait for @guru to respond about the issue of beast. I'm handling too many of you already here  (c) the word of the historian ,,,,,,,, Tell me, Dear Alphdoti, you have not happened to see some 'Sola Scriptura' phrase sticking out somewhere around here in Wazua? For a truth surely I have seen it!!!!!!!! @muriel focus. Put this on the safe, produce it after you have responded to other pending quesries from me. See previous threads. Laugh Laugh Laugh My nuance is lost! Who will explain to dear Alphdoti what this is about? Laugh Laugh Laugh @muriel, stop laughing and engage intelligently. Go back to issues we have raised and comment. There is one up there waiting for you.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
1.Thank you for the link to the hadiths.We've established your two Islamic sources.I assume no other sources have been approved for use?
2.You didn't answer why you use KJV.Why and when is it appropriate or inappropriate for use? Also,how do you distinguish what is from God and what is not without referencing Islamic sources?
3.Where did @guru respond to me? Care to explain what she said and where it came from.Where is @guru or Islam getting the understanding of the beast from and what does it say?
1. There are two Islamic sources; the Qur'an and authentic Hadiths (Sahih Bukhari). 2. Why I use KJV? I use it to respond to any Christian issue. I happen to own a copy of KJV. When is it appropriate? In the Bible there are three words: a) the word of God, (b) the word of prophet of God, and (c) the word of historian. 3. Let us wait for @guru to respond about the issue of beast. I'm handling too many of you already here You use it to respond to Christian issues.So the word of God in the bible is Christian? What is the word of God and His prophets in the bible and how did you come to that conclusion(like I had asked without using Islamic sources)? You're handling to many of us?Hmmmm. Because I'm using the Qur'an as standard. You can explain the Bible and correct the Jewish and Christian prejudice with the context of the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the last revealed Book which has never been corrupted or adulterated. Its content have been guaranteed by God Almighty in surah 2:2 " This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt...". On the contrary, all the other holy books (Torah, Psalms, Gospel etc) have been adulterated in the form of additions, deletions, or alterations from the original, by the 'hidden' forces as told by @Kamundu. You're quoting the Qur'an as evidence for the legitimacy of the Qur'an?Ok.What you also consider to be the word of God in the Bible and its interpretation is again only reinforced by the Qur'an and Hadiths without producing the original scripture.In essence it's a proposal of what should be considered scripture and how it should interpreted while admitting you can't produce the evidence to back up your claims. I'm curious,did Jesus recognize previous scriptures and prophets excluding the Torah and Psalms?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, stop laughing and engage intelligently. Go back to issues we have raised and comment. There is one up there waiting for you.
Sorry, dear Alphdoti for laughing hysterically You must mean this: Quote:Let me ask you two questions:
1. Are sure that the Bible is holy?
2. Does "holy" means it's God's Word and that the Bible is free from error? 1. The bible being "holy" Holiness is not dependent on man and his actions or inactions. Yaani, man is not the one to make something "holy". And what God has made "holy", or in my lingo "holyrized", man cannot "unholyrize". 2. Picture this scenario - it is not real just for illustration purposes Suppose God inspired someone (lets call her Ann) to write, say, "This pen should not be uncapped." then in my wisdom I, Muriel, reprint that particular text (and circulate it widely) but I add "for a long time" such that the statement now reads "This pen should not be uncapped for a long time." Now my printout is all over the world and someone in Kenya, (lets call him Alphdoti) starts saying that God did not inspire Ann, what Ann wrote was wrong and such like things.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, stop laughing and engage intelligently. Go back to issues we have raised and comment. There is one up there waiting for you.
Sorry, dear Alphdoti for laughing hysterically You must mean this: Quote:Let me ask you two questions:
1. Are sure that the Bible is holy?
2. Does "holy" means it's God's Word and that the Bible is free from error? 1. The bible being "holy" Holiness is not dependent on man and his actions or inactions. Yaani, man is not the one to make something "holy". And what God has made "holy", or in my lingo "holyrized", man cannot "unholyrize". 2. Picture this scenario - it is not real just for illustration purposes Suppose God inspired someone (lets call her Ann) to write, say, "This pen should not be uncapped." then in my wisdom I, Muriel, reprint that particular text (and circulate it widely) but I add "for a long time" such that the statement now reads "This pen should not be uncapped for a long time." Now my printout is all over the world and someone in Kenya, (lets call him Alphdoti) starts saying that God did not inspire Ann, what Ann wrote was wrong and such like things. @muriel so what is holiness dependent on? And what is your point in your example where Ann is given Book by God. God tells her xyz. But she writes uvwxyz?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
1.Thank you for the link to the hadiths.We've established your two Islamic sources.I assume no other sources have been approved for use?
2.You didn't answer why you use KJV.Why and when is it appropriate or inappropriate for use? Also,how do you distinguish what is from God and what is not without referencing Islamic sources?
3.Where did @guru respond to me? Care to explain what she said and where it came from.Where is @guru or Islam getting the understanding of the beast from and what does it say?
1. There are two Islamic sources; the Qur'an and authentic Hadiths (Sahih Bukhari). 2. Why I use KJV? I use it to respond to any Christian issue. I happen to own a copy of KJV. When is it appropriate? In the Bible there are three words: a) the word of God, (b) the word of prophet of God, and (c) the word of historian. 3. Let us wait for @guru to respond about the issue of beast. I'm handling too many of you already here You use it to respond to Christian issues.So the word of God in the bible is Christian? What is the word of God and His prophets in the bible and how did you come to that conclusion(like I had asked without using Islamic sources)? You're handling to many of us?Hmmmm. Because I'm using the Qur'an as standard. You can explain the Bible and correct the Jewish and Christian prejudice with the context of the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the last revealed Book which has never been corrupted or adulterated. Its content have been guaranteed by God Almighty in surah 2:2 " This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt...". On the contrary, all the other holy books (Torah, Psalms, Gospel etc) have been adulterated in the form of additions, deletions, or alterations from the original, by the 'hidden' forces as told by @Kamundu. You're quoting the Qur'an as evidence for the legitimacy of the Qur'an?Ok.What you also consider to be the word of God in the Bible and its interpretation is again only reinforced by the Qur'an and Hadiths without producing the original scripture.In essence it's a proposal of what should be considered scripture and how it should interpreted while admitting you can't produce the evidence to back up your claims. I'm curious,did Jesus recognize previous scriptures and prophets excluding the Torah and Psalms? It is clear that more than 1400 years have passed and not a single word of the Qur'an has been changed, although disbelievers tried their best to change it, but they failed. Muslims and Christians are close to one another as Quran says Surah 8:82: " ...And you'll find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. This is because there are among them priest and monks (i.e. persons entirely devoted to the service of God, as the Muslims), and because they are not proud@Some Christian denominations are making tremendous progress now by acknowledging for the first time in history that Muhammad (pbuh) descended from Ishmael through his second son Kedar. In Davis Dictionary of the Bible, 1980, sponsored by the Board of Christian Education in USA writes under Kedar " ... A tribe descended from Ishmael (Gen 25:13)... The people of Kedar, from their tribe Muhammad ultimately arose@ The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia quotes the following from A.S Fulton: " ...Of the Ishmaelites tribes, Kedar must have been one of the most important... It is through Kedar that Muslim geneaologies trace the descent of Muhammad from Ishmael"
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, stop laughing and engage intelligently. Go back to issues we have raised and comment. There is one up there waiting for you.
Sorry, dear Alphdoti for laughing hysterically You must mean this: Quote:Let me ask you two questions:
1. Are sure that the Bible is holy?
2. Does "holy" means it's God's Word and that the Bible is free from error? 1. The bible being "holy" Holiness is not dependent on man and his actions or inactions. Yaani, man is not the one to make something "holy". And what God has made "holy", or in my lingo "holyrized", man cannot "unholyrize". 2. Picture this scenario - it is not real just for illustration purposes Suppose God inspired someone (lets call her Ann) to write, say, "This pen should not be uncapped." then in my wisdom I, Muriel, reprint that particular text (and circulate it widely) but I add "for a long time" such that the statement now reads "This pen should not be uncapped for a long time." Now my printout is all over the world and someone in Kenya, (lets call him Alphdoti) starts saying that God did not inspire Ann, what Ann wrote was wrong and such like things. @muriel so what is holiness dependent on? And what is your point in your example where Ann is given Book by God. God tells her xyz. But she writes uvwxyz? Laugh Laugh Laugh You see! What I have been saying all along!!! Fallacies galore! Holiness is dependent on God. He is the one who makes something holy. God tells Ann to write xyz and she writes xyz. I am the one who adds uvw. Yet here you are accusing her of of writing uvwxyz!! I am the one who adds uvw. Me! Me! Me! Not Ann! 1. God tells Ann to write xyz 2. Ann writes xyz 3. I, Muriel, adds uvw. 4. Leave God alone 5. Leave Ann alone she wrote the correct thing. 6. Any discrepancy in the text ask me, the culprit. I am the one who added changed. Have you seen?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, stop laughing and engage intelligently. Go back to issues we have raised and comment. There is one up there waiting for you.
Sorry, dear Alphdoti for laughing hysterically You must mean this: Quote:Let me ask you two questions:
1. Are sure that the Bible is holy?
2. Does "holy" means it's God's Word and that the Bible is free from error? 1. The bible being "holy" Holiness is not dependent on man and his actions or inactions. Yaani, man is not the one to make something "holy". And what God has made "holy", or in my lingo "holyrized", man cannot "unholyrize". 2. Picture this scenario - it is not real just for illustration purposes Suppose God inspired someone (lets call her Ann) to write, say, "This pen should not be uncapped." then in my wisdom I, Muriel, reprint that particular text (and circulate it widely) but I add "for a long time" such that the statement now reads "This pen should not be uncapped for a long time." Now my printout is all over the world and someone in Kenya, (lets call him Alphdoti) starts saying that God did not inspire Ann, what Ann wrote was wrong and such like things. @muriel so what is holiness dependent on? And what is your point in your example where Ann is given Book by God. God tells her xyz. But she writes uvwxyz? Laugh Laugh Laugh You see! What I have been saying all along!!! Fallacies galore! Holiness is dependent on God. He is the one who makes something holy. God tells Ann to write xyz and she writes xyz. I am the one who adds uvw. Yet here you are accusing her of of writing uvwxyz!! I am the one who adds uvw. Me! Me! Me! Not Ann! 1. God tells Ann to write xyz 2. Ann writes xyz 3. I, Muriel, adds uvw. 4. Leave God alone 5. Leave Ann alone she wrote the correct thing. 6. Any discrepancy in the text ask me, the culprit. I am the one who added changed. Have you seen? Please define "holy".
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/9/2011 Posts: 786 Location: Mashinani
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AlphDoti wrote:kamundu wrote:@alphadoti, im still waiting for you to tell me what else has been "expunged" @kamundu, you're still waiting for another? How many did I say I'll give you? Why do you need another? What have you done about the one I've given you? You said several verses...have been "expunged"...... Peace in our Homeland.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, stop laughing and engage intelligently. Go back to issues we have raised and comment. There is one up there waiting for you.
Sorry, dear Alphdoti for laughing hysterically You must mean this: Quote:Let me ask you two questions:
1. Are sure that the Bible is holy?
2. Does "holy" means it's God's Word and that the Bible is free from error? 1. The bible being "holy" Holiness is not dependent on man and his actions or inactions. Yaani, man is not the one to make something "holy". And what God has made "holy", or in my lingo "holyrized", man cannot "unholyrize". 2. Picture this scenario - it is not real just for illustration purposes Suppose God inspired someone (lets call her Ann) to write, say, "This pen should not be uncapped." then in my wisdom I, Muriel, reprint that particular text (and circulate it widely) but I add "for a long time" such that the statement now reads "This pen should not be uncapped for a long time." Now my printout is all over the world and someone in Kenya, (lets call him Alphdoti) starts saying that God did not inspire Ann, what Ann wrote was wrong and such like things. @muriel so what is holiness dependent on? And what is your point in your example where Ann is given Book by God. God tells her xyz. But she writes uvwxyz? Laugh Laugh Laugh You see! What I have been saying all along!!! Fallacies galore! Holiness is dependent on God. He is the one who makes something holy. God tells Ann to write xyz and she writes xyz. I am the one who adds uvw. Yet here you are accusing her of of writing uvwxyz!! I am the one who adds uvw. Me! Me! Me! Not Ann! 1. God tells Ann to write xyz 2. Ann writes xyz 3. I, Muriel, adds uvw. 4. Leave God alone 5. Leave Ann alone she wrote the correct thing. 6. Any discrepancy in the text ask me, the culprit. I am the one who added changed. Have you seen? Please define "holy". First of all have you seen? Answer me first before you ask your questions. Today I can take the koran and take my time to make emendations here and there within it and then convince some pals of mine that that is the real deal koran. They can believe me and my printout can have worldwide circulation. I can even type the word 'Holy' on the cover so that it reads 'Holy Koran'. Have you seen?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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We have been told that the Quran is unadulterated - how sure are we? the Quran is a book that was forced on to men by an army - how sure are we then that unlike christian teachings which were books of people being percecuted, the quran is actually a book of victors? To begin with who said that Moha actually got it via relevation? it's quite likely that he had all ancient middle eastern writings such as the bible and the talmud and plagiarised them ('lifted material from them' but did not cite the source). zikapigwa randa miaka 42 to ensure consistency. then a declaration was made to the effect that the everything else prior to the newly constituted work was considered 'adulterated' All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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