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Mumias Sugar huge demand
target1360
#591 Posted : Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:27:52 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
target1360 wrote:
it is very difficult to predict the future of stocks with significant government shareholding

@target sometimes we blame gvt or "others" when it's us who dint look around. it's true you cannot predict shares but surely MSC with all the info provided in fact I personally mentioned how the sugar industry of kenyan had problems(miwani chemilil muhoroni mills were shut down among others ) and challenges of recovering with increased illegal imports very high cost of production locally.....low cane production e.t.c sasa ulikua unatarajia pesa itoke wapi ????


Look at what uchumi,portland,kq et all have been through.Am not aware of any well run 'government co' . except maybe kenya re

It is reasonable to generally avoid companies with significant government share holding in whatever industry because most of the managers/board are political appointees with little or no interest of the shareholders at heart and as such cannot be trusted.
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snipermnoma
#592 Posted : Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:03:14 PM
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target1360 wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
target1360 wrote:
it is very difficult to predict the future of stocks with significant government shareholding

@target sometimes we blame gvt or "others" when it's us who dint look around. it's true you cannot predict shares but surely MSC with all the info provided in fact I personally mentioned how the sugar industry of kenyan had problems(miwani chemilil muhoroni mills were shut down among others ) and challenges of recovering with increased illegal imports very high cost of production locally.....low cane production e.t.c sasa ulikua unatarajia pesa itoke wapi ????


Look at what uchumi,portland,kq et all have been through.Am not aware of any well run 'government co' . except maybe kenya re

It is reasonable to generally avoid companies with significant government share holding in whatever industry because most of the managers/board are political appointees with little or no interest of the shareholders at heart and as such cannot be trusted.


Target1360 well put. Shareholder value is rarely a major issue in firms with significant government shareholding. I was once in Mumias but thankfully got out in time. The rights issues on NBK and Kengen will also cause significant dilution for existing shareholders. If you invest in these stocks, make sure you have the appetite for the inherent risk.
whiteowl
#593 Posted : Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:17:47 PM
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snipermnoma wrote:
target1360 wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
target1360 wrote:
it is very difficult to predict the future of stocks with significant government shareholding

@target sometimes we blame gvt or "others" when it's us who dint look around. it's true you cannot predict shares but surely MSC with all the info provided in fact I personally mentioned how the sugar industry of kenyan had problems(miwani chemilil muhoroni mills were shut down among others ) and challenges of recovering with increased illegal imports very high cost of production locally.....low cane production e.t.c sasa ulikua unatarajia pesa itoke wapi ????


Look at what uchumi,portland,kq et all have been through.Am not aware of any well run 'government co' . except maybe kenya re

It is reasonable to generally avoid companies with significant government share holding in whatever industry because most of the managers/board are political appointees with little or no interest of the shareholders at heart and as such cannot be trusted.


Target1360 well put. Shareholder value is rarely a major issue in firms with significant government shareholding. I was once in Mumias but thankfully got out in time. The rights issues on NBK and Kengen will also cause significant dilution for existing shareholders. If you invest in these stocks, make sure you have the appetite for the inherent risk.


you can get in after the dilution and get out during the good times coz you're almost always guaranteed they won't last. I got out of NBK with good returns n ill reenter after rights n kengen too. it's true the risk is high but if you get in when the stock is low, your exposure is significantly reduced. about the shareholders value, guys who run the gava firms don't even know what that is!
CuriosityMove
#594 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 9:02:47 AM
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Mumias Sugar re-opened on Saturday and has since been crushing cane.
WaHande
#595 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 10:25:04 AM
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Well there's that, but what about the cheap sugar importation fiasco?
meleck
#596 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 10:40:21 AM
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So kengen is a no go zone for now
Boris Boyka
#597 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 10:45:27 AM
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meleck wrote:
So kengen is a no go zone for now

???????!!!?
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DtheK
#598 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:13:36 AM
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If this is how Mumias exploits the farmers then the company deserves to die a natural death, no more help from gova let them sink or swim.This thing only benefits management and other connected types.
HaMaina
#599 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:08:22 PM
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DtheK wrote:
If this is how Mumias exploits the farmers then the company deserves to die a natural death, no more help from gova let them sink or swim.This thing only benefits management and other connected types.

I believe you are wrong on that opinion, you cant shut down a company which benefits hundreds of thousands of farmers directly either as land owners or workers and 10 or 20 times that number indirectly by being either family, business-owners, health workers, county officials etc on account of a handful of "company officials" who are easily replaced with a simple ad in the papers.That is now lawlessness and anarchy are created not to mention the great probability of the problem spreading to the rest of the country.
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streetwise
#600 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:17:54 PM
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I totally agree..Mumias has a lot of social impact where it operates and what is needed is management team of impeachable character and the rest will be history.

Imagine..a company that produces sugar, water and even electricity..I have even seen them adverting tender for building bridges...

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