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symbols
#81 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:23:11 AM
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Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
...He now claims that all these stories did not come from authentic hadiths! Who determines which ones are authentic and which ones are not?

@lonest! there are two Islamic sources: the Qur'an and the authentic Hadith.

The Qur'an is the Word of Allah, purely the words of Almighty God, 100%. While the Hadiths are the authentic collection of narrations i.e. the words, actions or sayings of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

There are two categories of hadiths:
1. Saheh (authentic) - these are accepted narrations
2. Hasan (“fair, sound, single-chained hadith”) - narrations that have been graded good

There is another category, which is rejected:
3. Dhaif (weak) - classified as weak, fabricated narrations and not accepted. Such hadith is made up and is unreliable and/or is a lie

Why are hadiths considered weak? There are many reasons:
- if one of the narrators was known to have a weak memory
- there is no flowing of narrators i.e. if there is a break in narrations
- if any of narrator cannot be trusted

What about the authentic hadiths?
- if 10 or more chain of narrators
- there was flowing of narration
- if the narration has same meaning of content

Saheh hadiths have been compiled by Bukhari
And some of "fair" hadiths by Tirmidhi.
While weak hadiths are totally rejected.


Any link to the authentic hadiths?
Why have you ignored my post?
symbols wrote:

Before we get to the "ancient manuscripts",let us begin by noting that you have been quoting the Bible.Which book have you been using and why? It will clarify why, when and which book is appropriate for use by your standards.

On the issue of authenticity,how authentic is @guru's post and my reply here.

1. @symbols, yes here is the link to authentic hadiths

2. I use KJV. Please explain yourself more.

3. About @guru's post, she already responded to you yesterday.


1.Thank you for the link to the hadiths.We've established your two Islamic sources.I assume no other sources have been approved for use?

2.You didn't answer why you use KJV.Why and when is it appropriate or inappropriate for use? Also,how do you distinguish what is from God and what is not without referencing Islamic sources?

3.Where did @guru respond to me? Care to explain what she said and where it came from.Where is @guru or Islam getting the understanding of the beast from and what does it say?
AlphDoti
#82 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:48:52 AM
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Posts: 6,275
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symbols wrote:

1.Thank you for the link to the hadiths.We've established your two Islamic sources.I assume no other sources have been approved for use?

2.You didn't answer why you use KJV.Why and when is it appropriate or inappropriate for use? Also,how do you distinguish what is from God and what is not without referencing Islamic sources?

3.Where did @guru respond to me? Care to explain what she said and where it came from.Where is @guru or Islam getting the understanding of the beast from and what does it say?

1. There are two Islamic sources; the Qur'an and authentic Hadiths (Sahih Bukhari).

2. Why I use KJV? I use it to respond to any Christian issue. I happen to own a copy of KJV. When is it appropriate? In the Bible there are three words: a) the word of God, (b) the word of prophet of God, and (c) the word of historian.

3. Let us wait for @guru to respond about the issue of beast. I'm handling too many of you already here smile
Muriel
#83 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:49:00 AM
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Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:

Tell me what was your beef in your post here



My beef, dear alphdoti is this:

You have a habit of quoting some texts - which have been changed and you know they have been changed - yet you insist they are the real McCoy.

Then using them you launch tirades against christians saying stuff like "the Bible even contradicts itself". All your arguments wholly based on some adulterated text. Not once have your accusations been based on the real McCoy.

If you know they are not the real deal, stick to the real one and have debates over that.

What you are doing is called the fallacy: of false premise, false analogy, false cause, false dichotomy, false dilemma, far-fetched hypothesis, faulty comparion, faulty generlization I could list and list the many varied fallacies you use.

1st its annoying
2nd you are misleading readers
3rd you are becoming a polished liar.

My beef.
AlphDoti
#84 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:56:36 AM
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Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Tell me what was your beef in your post here

My beef, dear alphdoti is this:

You have a habit of quoting some texts - which have been changed and you know they have been changed - yet you insist they are the real McCoy.

Then using them you launch tirades against christians saying stuff like "the Bible even contradicts itself". All your arguments wholly based on some adulterated text. Not once have your accusations been based on the real McCoy.

If you know they are not the real deal, stick to the real one and have debates over that.

What you are doing is called the fallacy: of false premise, false analogy, false cause, false dichotomy, false dilemma, far-fetched hypothesis, faulty comparion, faulty generlization I could list and list the many varied fallacies you use.

1st its annoying
2nd you are misleading readers
3rd you are becoming a polished liar.

My beef.

You are the most unique Christian I've ever 'met' Applause Applause Applause

You are the only Christian who admits that the Bible has been adulterated. Why don't you tell the rest of your Christians this? Or they don't hold the same view as you?
kamundu
#85 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:00:20 PM
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Joined: 5/9/2011
Posts: 786
Location: Mashinani
There is a secret war instigated by Christ's enemy, Satan. Its most intensive phase began when Christ ascended to heaven and left behind His Church to carry on his work.As long as the church remained true to the new testament principles of love and pure faith ( not works) the message of the gospel worked wonders in the lives of millions who accepted it whole-heartedy.
However, Satan has tried to destroy Christianity from within and without. During earlier days, the Roman colonizers tried to stamp out Christinanity through persecution and many martys paid for it with their lives. When Satan realized brutal force was unsuccessful, he invented a new scheme to infiltrate the church itself and lead Christ's followers away from the pure principles of the bible. He would take over the very name of "Christianity" and pervert it to harmonize in his own corrupt principles.
This has been his master stroke in history, and the woes of our modern world and in Particular those of the Third world are largely due to his success in corrupting the Christian church. The Bible itself remained the pure source of truth but Satan's plan was to deform the Christian Church into a living denial of Bible principles.
Millions of people have not recognized this counterfeit "Christianity" and therefore cannot distinguish it from genuine. They are deceived by it to their ruin. Others avoid Christianity altogether....
Peace in our Homeland.
tycho
#86 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:01:26 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Tell me what was your beef in your post here

My beef, dear alphdoti is this:

You have a habit of quoting some texts - which have been changed and you know they have been changed - yet you insist they are the real McCoy.

Then using them you launch tirades against christians saying stuff like "the Bible even contradicts itself". All your arguments wholly based on some adulterated text. Not once have your accusations been based on the real McCoy.

If you know they are not the real deal, stick to the real one and have debates over that.

What you are doing is called the fallacy: of false premise, false analogy, false cause, false dichotomy, false dilemma, far-fetched hypothesis, faulty comparion, faulty generlization I could list and list the many varied fallacies you use.

1st its annoying
2nd you are misleading readers
3rd you are becoming a polished liar.

My beef.

You are the most unique Christian I've ever 'met' Applause Applause Applause

You are the only Christian who admits that the Bible has been adulterated. Why don't you tell the rest of your Christians this? Or they don't hold the same view as you?


Nice tactic. Or is it subconscious filtration of data to save faith?
tycho
#87 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:03:54 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
kamundu wrote:
There is a secret war instigated by Christ's enemy, Satan. Its most intensive phase began when Christ ascended to heaven and left behind His Church to carry on his work.As long as the church remained true to the new testament principles of love and pure faith ( not works) the message of the gospel worked wonders in the lives of millions who accepted it whole-heartedy.
However, Satan has tried to destroy Christianity from within and without. During earlier days, the Roman colonizers tried to stamp out Christinanity through persecution and many martys paid for it with their lives. When Satan realized brutal force was unsuccessful, he invented a new scheme to infiltrate the church itself and lead Christ's followers away from the pure principles of the bible. He would take over the very name of "Christianity" and pervert it to harmonize in his own corrupt principles.
This has been his master stroke in history, and the woes of our modern world and in Particular those of the Third world are largely due to his success in corrupting the Christian church. The Bible itself remained the pure source of truth but Satan's plan was to deform the Christian Church into a living denial of Bible principles.
Millions of people have not recognized this counterfeit "Christianity" and therefore cannot distinguish it from genuine. They are deceived by it to their ruin. Others avoid Christianity altogether....


Why is the war a secret?
kamundu
#88 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:11:03 PM
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Joined: 5/9/2011
Posts: 786
Location: Mashinani
So@ Alphadoti, not everyone who calls themselves a " Christian " is a genuine follower of Jesus Christ.
Peace in our Homeland.
Muriel
#89 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:11:27 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Tell me what was your beef in your post here

My beef, dear alphdoti is this:

You have a habit of quoting some texts - which have been changed and you know they have been changed - yet you insist they are the real McCoy.

Then using them you launch tirades against christians saying stuff like "the Bible even contradicts itself". All your arguments wholly based on some adulterated text. Not once have your accusations been based on the real McCoy.

If you know they are not the real deal, stick to the real one and have debates over that.

What you are doing is called the fallacy: of false premise, false analogy, false cause, false dichotomy, false dilemma, far-fetched hypothesis, faulty comparion, faulty generlization I could list and list the many varied fallacies you use.

1st its annoying
2nd you are misleading readers
3rd you are becoming a polished liar.

My beef.

You are the most unique Christian I've ever 'met' Applause Applause Applause

You are the only Christian who admits that the Bible has been adulterated. Why don't you tell the rest of your Christians this? Or they don't hold the same view as you?


Alphdoti,

There you go again! Arrggghhhhh!!!!!!

I have said some texts have been changed. Some adulterated text. Surely if you thought I said "the bible has been changed" I take this opportunity to correct that error by repeating that some texts have been changed.

I saw that tactic, the filtration of data, and I am not amused with it at all.

Please observe what Kamundu has said. That, dear Alphdoti, is what I agree with!
kamundu
#90 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:12:47 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/9/2011
Posts: 786
Location: Mashinani
@tycho, because we do NOT see it with our human eye....


Edited.....
Peace in our Homeland.
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