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Kenya Airways FY 2014 loss of 4.8bn!!!
Kausha
#21 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:04:08 AM
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Where is @obiero. His expectations for the results were phenomenoal even when pleaded with him to save his money for more worthwhile ventures. So when is the government bailout coming through. USD 1 billion Capex will mostly be debt which will need to be supported by equity.
Mainat
#22 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:13:57 AM
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The new CEO announcement must have been brought forward to cover this garbage.
Titus would be in jail if it was South Korea...
Sehemu ndio nyumba
mwekez@ji
#23 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:17:12 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
stock.enigma wrote:
There is no demand in the market. Only 4900 shares

Nope. there's a 1M demand hapo at 5bob.
Check mine a bit later, will be 2M at 2.5bobsmile
Yes, there is demand of 1mn+ shares

And now plus ya $PpT 2M smile
mlennyma
#24 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:30:01 AM
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This is when dogs bark and bats fly during daytime
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#25 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:34:19 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
stock.enigma wrote:
There is no demand in the market. Only 4900 shares

Nope. there's a 1M demand hapo at 5bob.
Check mine a bit later, will be 2M at 2.5bobsmile
Yes, there is demand of 1mn+ shares

And now plus ya $PpT 2M smile

smile
@SufficientlyP
mlennyma
#26 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:36:29 AM
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And all the debt in bonds,and all the tourists warning,and all export bans.i saw somebody like obiero in nairobi hospital
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#27 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:52:52 AM
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@SufficientlyP
muganda
#28 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:15:40 PM
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Evidence of the crime http://ge.tt/7lCqX2m1/v/0 Just Ugly!
maka
#29 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:43:38 PM
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ProverB wrote:
I still maintain Titus Naikuni ought to have been relieved of his duties as CEO in 2008! The first time it emerged that staff was blotted..overheads were largely employee related and passengers were being charged below cost of transit. It took him 5 years to admit operating margins were untenable. FIVE FREAKING YEARS!

What do you say to a CEO who during a managers strategy meeting tells them he hopes they have an exit plan...directly taken to translate be watchful of your future "tafuteni side hustle"
possunt quia posse videntur
Akenyan2014
#30 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 1:53:14 PM
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maka wrote:
ProverB wrote:
I still maintain Titus Naikuni ought to have been relieved of his duties as CEO in 2008! The first time it emerged that staff was blotted..overheads were largely employee related and passengers were being charged below cost of transit. It took him 5 years to admit operating margins were untenable. FIVE FREAKING YEARS!

What do you say to a CEO who during a managers strategy meeting tells them he hopes they have an exit plan...directly taken to translate be watchful of your future "tafuteni side hustle"


Press have more optimistic and accomodating headlines than Wazua

http://www.businessdaily.../-/vwa9pbz/-/index.html
Siringi
#31 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:24:26 PM
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At least he reduced the loss
and operating cost







"πŸ˜–πŸ˜‘KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
maka
#32 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:49:01 PM
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Akenyan2014 wrote:
maka wrote:
ProverB wrote:
I still maintain Titus Naikuni ought to have been relieved of his duties as CEO in 2008! The first time it emerged that staff was blotted..overheads were largely employee related and passengers were being charged below cost of transit. It took him 5 years to admit operating margins were untenable. FIVE FREAKING YEARS!

What do you say to a CEO who during a managers strategy meeting tells them he hopes they have an exit plan...directly taken to translate be watchful of your future "tafuteni side hustle"


Press have more optimistic and accomodating headlines than Wazua

http://www.businessdaily.../-/vwa9pbz/-/index.html


Would you buy the stock based on that BD "optimistic"" write up?
possunt quia posse videntur
Kausha
#33 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:54:42 PM
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Siringi wrote:
At least he reduced the loss
and operating cost









Be careful Aly Khan the tanker could just have turned 360 degrees!!

Under the current conditions only a bail out looks logical. You can't sell liabilities / capex plans. Just bamboozled how KQ will ramp up Capex/ Debt by $1B and Capacity by over 25% to fly to new places yet they are in loss territory.

KQ looks to be in serious financial difficulty than anybody would care to admit the razmattaz of new planes notwithstanding.

Our Journoz are quite a hideous lot. The BD headline of the KQ story tells it all. What is narrowing a pre tax loss from 11B to 5B. They are pretty much the same zone numbers with simmilar imapact on the balance sheet with the only difference being the magnitude.

And the way they really flog dear old KK yet KK turned from a 6B loss to a profit in less than 12 months.
Angelica _ann
#34 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:02:46 PM
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Kausha wrote:


Be careful Aly Khan the tanker could just have turned 360 degrees!!

Our Journoz are quite a hideous lot. The BD headline of the KQ story tells it all.


@Kausha you have said it as it is. Some of these guys are guys for hire
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Kausha
#35 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:32:02 PM
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Simple SFP maths. KQ owes 90 billion to lenders. It's sales is 106B. It's equity is about 28B while the company has returned a monumental loss 2 years in a row. Mgt. should stop here and fix the business, trim the fat or right size the routes and equipment because it is obvious there is some fat in the overheads otherwise the gross profit should be enough to offset the overheads. They can't fly for too long this way. In addition shut down some routes and expand latter when the business is more nimble and efficient. This is not banking, the airline doesn't have pricing power in all routes.

Pilling more debt on the 90B tells me KQ will sooner rather latter struggle to keep up with payments. Airline industry is competitive while the uncontrollable variables are many.
Aguytrying
#36 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:59:50 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Kausha wrote:


Be careful Aly Khan the tanker could just have turned 360 degrees!!

Our Journoz are quite a hideous lot. The BD headline of the KQ story tells it all.


@Kausha you have said it as it is. Some of these guys are guys for hire

The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#37 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:54:58 PM
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Akenyan2014 wrote:
maka wrote:
ProverB wrote:
I still maintain Titus Naikuni ought to have been relieved of his duties as CEO in 2008! The first time it emerged that staff was blotted..overheads were largely employee related and passengers were being charged below cost of transit. It took him 5 years to admit operating margins were untenable. FIVE FREAKING YEARS!

What do you say to a CEO who during a managers strategy meeting tells them he hopes they have an exit plan...directly taken to translate be watchful of your future "tafuteni side hustle"


Press have more optimistic and accomodating headlines than Wazua

http://www.businessdaily.../-/vwa9pbz/-/index.html
Well, who buys ads on TV and newspapers? KQ does but not Wazuans!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#38 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:57:00 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

People investing in KQ should check themselves into Mathare Hospital!

And going by the losses here they should also organize for a rental in the same area...

I'm scared because @obiero must be about to jump off a building! Wasn't his whole 2014 inside this toilet??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
the deal
#39 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:30:07 PM
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KQ is indeed a sinking tanker

1. ISIS in Iraq means brent crude oil is up

2. Travel advisories

3. New VAT on spare parts

4. Finance costs from the new dreamliners will kick in this financial year.

5. Losses from jambo jet

6. Clueless management

7. Competition

The list can go on...even at Ksh5 I can't touch this cos it can go to Ksh0.
Omena
#40 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:09:27 PM
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the deal wrote:
KQ is indeed a sinking tanker

1. ISIS in Iraq means brent crude oil is up

2. Travel advisories

3. New VAT on spare parts

4. Finance costs from the new dreamliners will kick in this financial year.

5. Losses from jambo jet

6. Clueless management

7. Competition

The list can go on...even at Ksh5 I can't touch this cos it can go to Ksh0.


#4 is where the rain begun to beat. Msiba wakujitakia.a possible death knell sounding. Pray
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