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I Renounced Islam
muganda
#241 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 12:39:10 PM
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Separation of church and state

God found it proper to grant man free will, else Adam & Eve would have no choice as to whether to eat the fruit or not. When the Israelites said to Samuel, "give us a king to lead us", God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Even Jesus said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's".

Almighty God granted man free will. Man in his 'natural state' has a right to his own person, that nobody has a right to but himself. And in the 17th century 'age of enlightenment', the modern world awoke to this truth. Hence Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Baptists wrote in 1802:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions..."


Before this it was utter mayhem, with all religions using faith to advance secular ulterior motives. From Nicene Christianity of the Roman Empire, the Pope of the Middle Ages, the Church of England etc. That is why terms such as treason, sedition, violence, execution, law etc. naturally arise.

As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it.

masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:
If you would sentence a man to death for serial murder in your state then it should be ok for a Sharia state to execute a sodomite caught in the act because they are viewed equal in the eyes of God in Islam!

Perhaps the question should be - do we execute people on God's behalf or do we execute people on society's behalf?

When you wrong society to an extreme level - they kill you.

If you wrong God to an extreme level - He should kill you!! he has lots of stuff at his disposal...why would you assist him?

The Merchant
#242 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 1:05:31 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
Islam is a cult, end of story. If you read between the lines, you'll see that what guru is basically saying is we know the Prophet did many wrong things, but he was told to do so by God, so even though Islam was founded by an immoral man, we don't care because our numbers are growing. That's text book example of a cult, even if you see evidence that its wrong, you still embrace it because numbers are growing. That's the most invalid argument one can have, homosexual relationships are also growing, does that make it right? Like my mum always used to tell me, never follow the crowd. In the US I know for a fact that Muslims recruits African Americans mainly from prison, they target the dejected who are at their most vulnerable state, and sell them the image of brotherhood and a pious Mohammed, when the reality is this is a cage in which once you get in, there's no getting out, and they justify it with apostasy. Mohammed used to have conversations with Satan in the desert, some creepy stuff, and I'm supposed to bow down facing some big black box ( isn't that idol worship?) to this man? No thanks!


@Nabwire why are you concerned if I want to follow an "immoral man"??

Or did someone ask you to become Muslim??

Why are you scared of the growth of our "cult"??



Because cults lead to death and suffering and are inherently satanic.
Muriel
#243 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 1:18:59 PM
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muganda wrote:
Separation of church and state

God found it proper to grant man free will, else Adam & Eve would have no choice as to whether to eat the fruit or not. When the Israelites said to Samuel, "give us a king to lead us", God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Even Jesus said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's".

Almighty God granted man free will. Man in his 'natural state' has a right to his own person, that nobody has a right to but himself. And in the 17th century 'age of enlightenment', the modern world awoke to this truth. Hence Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Baptists wrote in 1802:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions..."


Before this it was utter mayhem, with all religions using faith to advance secular ulterior motives. From Nicene Christianity of the Roman Empire, the Pope of the Middle Ages, the Church of England etc. That is why terms such as treason, sedition, violence, execution, law etc. naturally arise.

As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it.

masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:
If you would sentence a man to death for serial murder in your state then it should be ok for a Sharia state to execute a sodomite caught in the act because they are viewed equal in the eyes of God in Islam!

Perhaps the question should be - do we execute people on God's behalf or do we execute people on society's behalf?

When you wrong society to an extreme level - they kill you.

If you wrong God to an extreme level - He should kill you!! he has lots of stuff at his disposal...why would you assist him?



In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims.

Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities.
The Merchant
#244 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 1:19:55 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
This is the problem with you guru, you personalize everything. Just because I speak out about Islam, does not mean that I want it destroyed, I just believe in people knowing the truth. I spoke out to expose the truth, what people do with that truth, I really don't care. You were on a roll patting yourself on the back, and I stopped the party, had I spoken out in your defense, would you still have asked me those questions? I know your strategy, so I don't play into it, so you turn it into' why are you scared about the growth of our cult' To be honest I really don't care, as long as you guys bow down in peace, I have no problem. But when it directly affects my well being, I will speak out. You have twisted the truth on so many different issues, had you spoken on facts, I wouldn't need to call you out. I actually like some aspects of Islam, like the AA prisoners who change their course of life and become responsible, that's very admirable. The problem is once the honeymoon stage is over, they are manipulated to think of non Muslims as the enemy and to become fanatics, which is the stage I suspect you are in. This attitude of I will do anything to defend my prophet, forget that, if Jesus impregnated a 9 yr old I would be like WTF, wacha ikae! So go ahead and follow your prophet, just don't use deceit to recruit the next bunch of followers and expect me to stay silent, especially if these new recruits will put my life in danger.


So much emotion and passion for someone who doesn't care??

Was it Muslims or Islam that infringed on your peace??

So how does it make you feel that Jesus was born from an impregnated 12 year old girl??

You are a dangerous fanatic, a danger to yourself and society. You should be arrested.
masukuma
#245 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 1:25:04 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
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Location: Nairobi
Muriel wrote:
muganda wrote:
Separation of church and state

God found it proper to grant man free will, else Adam & Eve would have no choice as to whether to eat the fruit or not. When the Israelites said to Samuel, "give us a king to lead us", God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Even Jesus said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's".

Almighty God granted man free will. Man in his 'natural state' has a right to his own person, that nobody has a right to but himself. And in the 17th century 'age of enlightenment', the modern world awoke to this truth. Hence Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Baptists wrote in 1802:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions..."


Before this it was utter mayhem, with all religions using faith to advance secular ulterior motives. From Nicene Christianity of the Roman Empire, the Pope of the Middle Ages, the Church of England etc. That is why terms such as treason, sedition, violence, execution, law etc. naturally arise.

As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it.

masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:
If you would sentence a man to death for serial murder in your state then it should be ok for a Sharia state to execute a sodomite caught in the act because they are viewed equal in the eyes of God in Islam!

Perhaps the question should be - do we execute people on God's behalf or do we execute people on society's behalf?

When you wrong society to an extreme level - they kill you.

If you wrong God to an extreme level - He should kill you!! he has lots of stuff at his disposal...why would you assist him?



In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims.

Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities.

Those who know better do! Most muslims who after living in a secular society feel shackled by Sharia if they go to a culture that dictates it. Ignorance is bliss for those who have lived under Sharia all their lives case in point Saudia and Sudan. Even Somalis cannot live in a sharia state ni mdomo tu wanachapa!! wamezoea vya kunyonga vya kuchinja hawawezi. Kwanza if you implemented Sharia at the coast of Kenya - the first people to zusha will be the people who nick named Pork - mbuzi ulaya!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Muriel
#246 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 1:42:10 PM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
muganda wrote:
Separation of church and state

God found it proper to grant man free will, else Adam & Eve would have no choice as to whether to eat the fruit or not. When the Israelites said to Samuel, "give us a king to lead us", God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Even Jesus said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's".

Almighty God granted man free will. Man in his 'natural state' has a right to his own person, that nobody has a right to but himself. And in the 17th century 'age of enlightenment', the modern world awoke to this truth. Hence Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Baptists wrote in 1802:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions..."


Before this it was utter mayhem, with all religions using faith to advance secular ulterior motives. From Nicene Christianity of the Roman Empire, the Pope of the Middle Ages, the Church of England etc. That is why terms such as treason, sedition, violence, execution, law etc. naturally arise.

As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it.

masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:
If you would sentence a man to death for serial murder in your state then it should be ok for a Sharia state to execute a sodomite caught in the act because they are viewed equal in the eyes of God in Islam!

Perhaps the question should be - do we execute people on God's behalf or do we execute people on society's behalf?

When you wrong society to an extreme level - they kill you.

If you wrong God to an extreme level - He should kill you!! he has lots of stuff at his disposal...why would you assist him?



In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims.

Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities.

Those who know better do! Most muslims who after living in a secular society feel shackled by Sharia if they go to a culture that dictates it. Ignorance is bliss for those who have lived under Sharia all their lives case in point Saudia and Sudan. Even Somalis cannot live in a sharia state ni mdomo tu wanachapa!! wamezoea vya kunyonga vya kuchinja hawawezi. Kwanza if you implemented Sharia at the coast of Kenya - the first people to zusha will be the people who nick named Pork - mbuzi ulaya!


Yes.

They will band together to 'defend' the prophet verbally with much agitation but if challenged to put into practise the prophet's teachings and examples they will melt away like smoke in the wind.

Pseudo-muslims!
muganda
#247 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 1:46:09 PM
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Joined: 9/15/2006
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masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
muganda wrote:
As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it.


In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims.

Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities.

Those who know better do! Most muslims who after living in a secular society feel shackled by Sharia if they go to a culture that dictates it. Ignorance is bliss for those who have lived under Sharia all their lives case in point Saudia and Sudan. Even Somalis cannot live in a sharia state ni mdomo tu wanachapa!! wamezoea vya kunyonga vya kuchinja hawawezi. Kwanza if you implemented Sharia at the coast of Kenya - the first people to zusha will be the people who nick named Pork - mbuzi ulaya!


It is easy to place burdens on others, that religious leaders need not carry themselves. Case in point this statement made in a radio show to the masses:

Saudi cleric says chatting online is haram
http://english.alarabiya.net/en...ng-online-is-haram-.html


masukuma
#248 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 1:56:48 PM
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muganda wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
muganda wrote:
As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it.


In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims.

Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities.

Those who know better do! Most muslims who after living in a secular society feel shackled by Sharia if they go to a culture that dictates it. Ignorance is bliss for those who have lived under Sharia all their lives case in point Saudia and Sudan. Even Somalis cannot live in a sharia state ni mdomo tu wanachapa!! wamezoea vya kunyonga vya kuchinja hawawezi. Kwanza if you implemented Sharia at the coast of Kenya - the first people to zusha will be the people who nick named Pork - mbuzi ulaya!


It is easy to place burdens on others, that religious leaders need not carry themselves. Case in point this statement made in a radio show to the masses:

Saudi cleric says chatting online is haram
http://english.alarabiya.net/en...ng-online-is-haram-.html



Boss... wacha chatting
going to the mars is haram.. Women like Akina @Guru here are unislamic the best she can be is makrooh (disliked) akiendelea kutukana watu and exercising her she will be haram!! only by being totally subservient can she reach the status of being makrooh
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
symbols
#249 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 2:45:44 PM
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muganda wrote:
Oh my, down which rabbit hole are @Lolest! and the canny @maskumua disappearing to...


The rabbit hole is a great equalizer.Unknown unknownsLaughing out loudly
Ngalaka
#250 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 3:01:37 PM
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@Lolest

Hats off for the insights while withstanding all the insults calculated to cow you.
Applause Applause Applause Applause


Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
masukuma
#251 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 3:43:46 PM
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symbols wrote:
muganda wrote:
Oh my, down which rabbit hole are @Lolest! and the canny @maskumua disappearing to...


The rabbit hole is a great equalizer.Unknown unknownsLaughing out loudly

indeed.... delving into the Unknown Unknowns
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
symbols
#252 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 3:45:09 PM
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masukuma wrote:
symbols wrote:
muganda wrote:
Oh my, down which rabbit hole are @Lolest! and the canny @maskumua disappearing to...


The rabbit hole is a great equalizer.Unknown unknownsLaughing out loudly

indeed.... delving into the Unknown Unknowns

Hakuna ujanja hapo.It neutralizes everyone.
McReggae
#253 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 4:28:13 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:


@Lolest

Hats off for the insights while withstanding all the insults calculated to cow you.
Applause Applause Applause Applause




Copied, I have to confess that until this thread happened I wasn't aware that the 'venerated' Muhammad was an acknowledged paedophile.
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Impunity
#254 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 7:24:23 PM
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Your are here » Home » Crazy World "Hand over your daughters for sex," terrorists order families
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...rrorists-order-families

Sad Sad Sad
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Bykhovets
#255 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 11:17:09 PM
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"Man would have been extinct if the first religion was Islam."
"Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
Lolest!
#256 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:09:47 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:


@Lolest

Hats off for the insights while withstanding all the insults calculated to cow you.
Applause Applause Applause Applause



smile
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
AlphDoti
#257 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 12:00:18 AM
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symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

@symbols people enjoy so much making fun of Islam. I know you to be a rational person, and I believe you understand stereotyping that goes around.

JEWS have intentionally developed some websites to spread wrong information about Quran and Hadith. The above website you have quoted is one of them.

Below are the bad websites done by people who pretend to be Muslims. I shared this list before, when I gave it to @kysse. Be are aware of this:

1. www.answering-islam.org
2. www.aboutislam.com
3. www.thequran.com
4. www.Allahassurance.com

So recognize the hatred by some people. Don't follow suit and post the same wrong information about Islam. Because when we share information, we should seek brotherhood, truth, honesty, sincerity, and justice.

I posted links.Can you prove anything you've said?

@symbols let me respond to you once more, you've really persisted.

I'm aware that the kind of subjects I handle are full of controversy. These websites are done by people who deliberately misrepresent information. Distortions.

I'm fully aware that it is impossible to effectively make a defence against unethical critics. After all it is said that it will always be easier to make a mess than to clean it up.

So these websites you keep quoting seem to have made it a policy to maliciously distort the teachings of Islam.

Unfortunately, any response or explanation I give you is counterproductive, it infact you as one of the critics cannot clear this misconceptions, and no amount of quotation from the true sources the Quran and the hadiths, makes any difference.
symbols
#258 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 12:09:25 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

@symbols people enjoy so much making fun of Islam. I know you to be a rational person, and I believe you understand stereotyping that goes around.

JEWS have intentionally developed some websites to spread wrong information about Quran and Hadith. The above website you have quoted is one of them.

Below are the bad websites done by people who pretend to be Muslims. I shared this list before, when I gave it to @kysse. Be are aware of this:

1. www.answering-islam.org
2. www.aboutislam.com
3. www.thequran.com
4. www.Allahassurance.com

So recognize the hatred by some people. Don't follow suit and post the same wrong information about Islam. Because when we share information, we should seek brotherhood, truth, honesty, sincerity, and justice.

I posted links.Can you prove anything you've said?

@symbols let me respond to you once more, you've really persisted.

I'm aware that the kind of subjects I handle are full of controversy. These websites are done by people who deliberately misrepresent information. Distortions.

I'm fully aware that it is impossible to effectively make a defence against unethical critics. After all it is said that it will always be easier to make a mess than to clean it up.

So these websites you keep quoting seem to have made it a policy to maliciously distort the teachings of Islam.

Unfortunately, any response or explanation I give you is counterproductive, it infact you as one of the critics cannot clear this misconceptions, and no amount of quotation from the true sources the Quran and the hadiths, makes any difference.


Laughing out loudly

Stop the distractions and keep to the issues.Where is the proof?
masukuma
#259 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 10:21:03 AM
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Bykhovets wrote:
"Man would have been extinct if the first religion was Islam."

maybe!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
mv_ufanisi
#260 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 2:33:47 PM
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It's amazing to see two Africans fighting over foreign religions. Barely two hundred years ago in most parts of Kenya there was nothing like Christianity or Islam (except at the coast).
The Kenyan christians should go to Israel (where blacks are treated worse than dogs) and the Muslims should go to the Gulf states (where they'll slave for the Arabs).
It's time Africans grew a brain and stopped cramming religious texts without thinking. And now fellow Africans turn against each other in the name of their respective acquired religions.

Low IQ is a b*tch.
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