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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! Masukuma, What is this "short term fix"? I shudder to name it.... I saw it in 2008 beginning and as people were happy to see 'it' rise - I warned them (even on the precursor to wazua) but they did not listen to me. a few months down the line 'it' became a problem even to those who supported 'it's rise. Ah! Sema bwana! Sema tu! Mungiki! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! Masukuma, What is this "short term fix"? I shudder to name it.... I saw it in 2008 beginning and as people were happy to see 'it' rise - I warned them (even on the precursor to wazua) but they did not listen to me. a few months down the line 'it' became a problem even to those who supported 'it's rise. Ah! Sema bwana! Sema tu! Mungiki! 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,561
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maka wrote:I think the best thing is not to give a reply to such things...only escalates issues,if a court order is needed let the landlord get one,lets not group along tribal lines on such issues,when the guy gets rent does he distribute it to you?This are personal matters that should be dealt with on a personal level... Don't bring tribe into this. I see a landlord here and tenants who have REFUSED to pay rent. If you refuse to pay rent in my house, why should I care about your tribe??? How does your tribe - whatever it is - help me? I deal with 'cacamoniously'!!! Court order?? Are you kidding me? How long have you been in Kenya? An issue like this can drag for more than a year in Kenyan courts! What will you be eating? What if you are on mortgage? Simple Kenyanomics; You throw the idiots out unceremoniously. Let them go to court if they want. The court will normally order the status quo to remain till the case is determined. My status quo is your (not you) a$$ out of my house!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! Masukuma, What is this "short term fix"? I shudder to name it.... I saw it in 2008 beginning and as people were happy to see 'it' rise - I warned them (even on the precursor to wazua) but they did not listen to me. a few months down the line 'it' became a problem even to those who supported 'it's rise. Ah! Sema bwana! Sema tu! Mungiki! exactement! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! Masukuma, What is this "short term fix"? I shudder to name it.... I saw it in 2008 beginning and as people were happy to see 'it' rise - I warned them (even on the precursor to wazua) but they did not listen to me. a few months down the line 'it' became a problem even to those who supported 'it's rise. Ah! Sema bwana! Sema tu! Mungiki! exactement!  they fix the problem for you short term, then they start blackmailing you, wacha hiyo rent ikae.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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CLK wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! Masukuma, What is this "short term fix"? I shudder to name it.... I saw it in 2008 beginning and as people were happy to see 'it' rise - I warned them (even on the precursor to wazua) but they did not listen to me. a few months down the line 'it' became a problem even to those who supported 'it's rise. Ah! Sema bwana! Sema tu! Mungiki! exactement! they fix the problem for you short term, then they start blackmailing you, wacha hiyo rent ikae. exactly what I said before masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Impunity wrote:madollar wrote:Unaweza pia angukia i know one who moved to the main house of his landlord a spaciuos bungalow while the owner moved his family to one of his rentals and its clocking over 10 years I blame the poor landlord!  That was a mjanja landlord he built a bigger home in mountainview
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:CLK wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! Masukuma, What is this "short term fix"? I shudder to name it.... I saw it in 2008 beginning and as people were happy to see 'it' rise - I warned them (even on the precursor to wazua) but they did not listen to me. a few months down the line 'it' became a problem even to those who supported 'it's rise. Ah! Sema bwana! Sema tu! Mungiki! exactement! they fix the problem for you short term, then they start blackmailing you, wacha hiyo rent ikae. exactly what I said before masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! Hio ndio maneno tuliona Mathare North. Siwezi rudia
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,561
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NEVER use 'local' (from the same estate) 'tenant removal assistants'. They will latter start coming for protection fee! Import them. Import from anywhere even within Nairobi - just not from the same estate. That will definitely be a one off or on demand service. Wacha rent ikae? No comment!!! If I say what is in my mind you might take it as an insult. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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masukuma wrote:CLK wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! Masukuma, What is this "short term fix"? I shudder to name it.... I saw it in 2008 beginning and as people were happy to see 'it' rise - I warned them (even on the precursor to wazua) but they did not listen to me. a few months down the line 'it' became a problem even to those who supported 'it's rise. Ah! Sema bwana! Sema tu! Mungiki! exactement! they fix the problem for you short term, then they start blackmailing you, wacha hiyo rent ikae. exactly what I said before masukuma wrote:from what I know - the people who own houses in these areas are not clueless of exactly what to do with errant tenants - the problem with it is that it's a short term fix as the fix comes to bite the landlords and others later.... catch 22! CLK, CLK! I am happy to read from you after a long time! Masukuma, The net resultant effect of this "solution" to the landlord is that "they" also do not "pay rent"! Indeed, catch 22!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Lolest! wrote:tycho wrote:Such areas like Babadogo, Kibera, Dandora, Kayole, Mathare and the like need 'investors' who can mobilize gangs. Control is by 'jeshi'.
So if your friend wants to be paid his rent, then he/she should be politically savvy. tycho today you sound Kenyan! But jeshi is not enough. Or you get a huge no of them. Otherwise pata police backup. When NARC came to power, walikataa kulipa. They claimed their baba had told them not to. Some landlord from Komothai in Githunguri took his few goons to evict his errant tenants. They were overpowered. They would be thrown down head first frm those 4th flr bldngs. Hence contributing to a further split in narc I'm glad that I sound Kenyan. How else can we have 'dialogue'? I lost a friend in a 'jeshi' foray, and I believe it was earlier than Narc. If you take a look at the Nairobi slums, and 'estates' like Kariobangi, Dandora, and the like, you'll find a tendency of an ethnic group dominating in property ownership and another dominating in settlement, or an ethnic group both 'owning' and residing on a designated piece of land. This in effect leads to formation of self protecting groups given the political and economic situation of the capital city where one must either own property or pay for it. We must remember that in this case work opportunities are programed by the economic system that defines the State, and are limited-a reason why politicians promise jobs to ease pressure on the cash flow disparity. But because politicians can't create jobs, and the jua kali sector is a low wage earner, and given inflationary pressures, then it is inevitable that @coolbull's matter will arise and smack of negative ethnicity. Solution? Form multi-ethnic jeshis to spur cash flow - the real purpose of an army. Remember Sun Tzu; the greatest general wins without violence. One can actually make money in forming a multi-ethnic, producing-consuming 'jeshi' that can work in a globalized economy.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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tycho wrote:tycho wrote:Lolest! wrote:tycho wrote:Such areas like Babadogo, Kibera, Dandora, Kayole, Mathare and the like need 'investors' who can mobilize gangs. Control is by 'jeshi'.
So if your friend wants to be paid his rent, then he/she should be politically savvy. tycho today you sound Kenyan! But jeshi is not enough. Or you get a huge no of them. Otherwise pata police backup. When NARC came to power, walikataa kulipa. They claimed their baba had told them not to. Some landlord from Komothai in Githunguri took his few goons to evict his errant tenants. They were overpowered. They would be thrown down head first frm those 4th flr bldngs. Hence contributing to a further split in narc I'm glad that I sound Kenyan. How else can we have 'dialogue'? I lost a friend in a 'jeshi' foray, and I believe it was earlier than Narc. If you take a look at the Nairobi slums, and 'estates' like Kariobangi, Dandora, and the like, you'll find a tendency of an ethnic group dominating in property ownership and another dominating in settlement, or an ethnic group both 'owning' and residing on a designated piece of land. This in effect leads to formation of self protecting groups given the political and economic situation of the capital city where one must either own property or pay for it. We must remember that in this case work opportunities are programed by the economic system that defines the State, and are limited-a reason why politicians promise jobs to ease pressure on the cash flow disparity. But because politicians can't create jobs, and the jua kali sector is a low wage earner, and given inflationary pressures, then it is inevitable that @coolbull's matter will arise and smack of negative ethnicity. Solution? Form multi-ethnic jeshis to spur cash flow - the real purpose of an army. Remember Sun Tzu; the greatest general wins without violence. One can actually make money in forming a multi-ethnic, producing-consuming 'jeshi' that can work in a globalized economy. AKA mafia. Dirty money. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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People need to get their act together otherwise, even the innocent ones will suffer same fate: - profiling before moving in. - higher rents & security deposits(risk management) The ball is in their court. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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harrydre wrote:People need to get their act together otherwise, even the innocent ones will suffer same fate:
- profiling before moving in.
- higher rents & security deposits(risk management)
The ball is in their court.
Profiling has been happening for a long time now. Hii haina dawa, sioni. Mwiba wa kujidunga hauambiwi pole. Difficult country this. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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MaichBlack wrote:maka wrote:I think the best thing is not to give a reply to such things...only escalates issues,if a court order is needed let the landlord get one,lets not group along tribal lines on such issues,when the guy gets rent does he distribute it to you?This are personal matters that should be dealt with on a personal level... Don't bring tribe into this. I see a landlord here and tenants who have REFUSED to pay rent. If you refuse to pay rent in my house, why should I care about your tribe??? How does your tribe - whatever it is - help me? I deal with 'cacamoniously'!!! Court order?? Are you kidding me? How long have you been in Kenya? An issue like this can drag for more than a year in Kenyan courts! What will you be eating? What if you are on mortgage? Simple Kenyanomics; You throw the idiots out unceremoniously. Let them go to court if they want. The court will normally order the status quo to remain till the case is determined. My status quo is your (not you) a$$ out of my house!!! No wonder you don't like mortgages!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:Lolest! wrote:tycho wrote:Such areas like Babadogo, Kibera, Dandora, Kayole, Mathare and the like need 'investors' who can mobilize gangs. Control is by 'jeshi'.
So if your friend wants to be paid his rent, then he/she should be politically savvy. tycho today you sound Kenyan! But jeshi is not enough. Or you get a huge no of them. Otherwise pata police backup. When NARC came to power, walikataa kulipa. They claimed their baba had told them not to. Some landlord from Komothai in Githunguri took his few goons to evict his errant tenants. They were overpowered. They would be thrown down head first frm those 4th flr bldngs. Hence contributing to a further split in narc I'm glad that I sound Kenyan. How else can we have 'dialogue'? I lost a friend in a 'jeshi' foray, and I believe it was earlier than Narc. If you take a look at the Nairobi slums, and 'estates' like Kariobangi, Dandora, and the like, you'll find a tendency of an ethnic group dominating in property ownership and another dominating in settlement, or an ethnic group both 'owning' and residing on a designated piece of land. This in effect leads to formation of self protecting groups given the political and economic situation of the capital city where one must either own property or pay for it. We must remember that in this case work opportunities are programed by the economic system that defines the State, and are limited-a reason why politicians promise jobs to ease pressure on the cash flow disparity. But because politicians can't create jobs, and the jua kali sector is a low wage earner, and given inflationary pressures, then it is inevitable that @coolbull's matter will arise and smack of negative ethnicity. Solution? Form multi-ethnic jeshis to spur cash flow - the real purpose of an army. Remember Sun Tzu; the greatest general wins without violence. One can actually make money in forming a multi-ethnic, producing-consuming 'jeshi' that can work in a globalized economy. AKA mafia. Dirty money. Not in this case @Simon. It will be legitimate money. What's happening here is the creation of digital capital and its conversion to money.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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tycho wrote:simonkabz wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:Lolest! wrote:tycho wrote:Such areas like Babadogo, Kibera, Dandora, Kayole, Mathare and the like need 'investors' who can mobilize gangs. Control is by 'jeshi'.
So if your friend wants to be paid his rent, then he/she should be politically savvy. tycho today you sound Kenyan! But jeshi is not enough. Or you get a huge no of them. Otherwise pata police backup. When NARC came to power, walikataa kulipa. They claimed their baba had told them not to. Some landlord from Komothai in Githunguri took his few goons to evict his errant tenants. They were overpowered. They would be thrown down head first frm those 4th flr bldngs. Hence contributing to a further split in narc I'm glad that I sound Kenyan. How else can we have 'dialogue'? I lost a friend in a 'jeshi' foray, and I believe it was earlier than Narc. If you take a look at the Nairobi slums, and 'estates' like Kariobangi, Dandora, and the like, you'll find a tendency of an ethnic group dominating in property ownership and another dominating in settlement, or an ethnic group both 'owning' and residing on a designated piece of land. This in effect leads to formation of self protecting groups given the political and economic situation of the capital city where one must either own property or pay for it. We must remember that in this case work opportunities are programed by the economic system that defines the State, and are limited-a reason why politicians promise jobs to ease pressure on the cash flow disparity. But because politicians can't create jobs, and the jua kali sector is a low wage earner, and given inflationary pressures, then it is inevitable that @coolbull's matter will arise and smack of negative ethnicity. Solution? Form multi-ethnic jeshis to spur cash flow - the real purpose of an army. Remember Sun Tzu; the greatest general wins without violence. One can actually make money in forming a multi-ethnic, producing-consuming 'jeshi' that can work in a globalized economy. AKA mafia. Dirty money. Not in this case @Simon. It will be legitimate money. What's happening here is the creation of digital capital and its conversion to money. the gaarment should pay attention to this tychospeak - turning digital capital into money  Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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butterflyke wrote:tycho wrote:simonkabz wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:Lolest! wrote:tycho wrote:Such areas like Babadogo, Kibera, Dandora, Kayole, Mathare and the like need 'investors' who can mobilize gangs. Control is by 'jeshi'.
So if your friend wants to be paid his rent, then he/she should be politically savvy. tycho today you sound Kenyan! But jeshi is not enough. Or you get a huge no of them. Otherwise pata police backup. When NARC came to power, walikataa kulipa. They claimed their baba had told them not to. Some landlord from Komothai in Githunguri took his few goons to evict his errant tenants. They were overpowered. They would be thrown down head first frm those 4th flr bldngs. Hence contributing to a further split in narc I'm glad that I sound Kenyan. How else can we have 'dialogue'? I lost a friend in a 'jeshi' foray, and I believe it was earlier than Narc. If you take a look at the Nairobi slums, and 'estates' like Kariobangi, Dandora, and the like, you'll find a tendency of an ethnic group dominating in property ownership and another dominating in settlement, or an ethnic group both 'owning' and residing on a designated piece of land. This in effect leads to formation of self protecting groups given the political and economic situation of the capital city where one must either own property or pay for it. We must remember that in this case work opportunities are programed by the economic system that defines the State, and are limited-a reason why politicians promise jobs to ease pressure on the cash flow disparity. But because politicians can't create jobs, and the jua kali sector is a low wage earner, and given inflationary pressures, then it is inevitable that @coolbull's matter will arise and smack of negative ethnicity. Solution? Form multi-ethnic jeshis to spur cash flow - the real purpose of an army. Remember Sun Tzu; the greatest general wins without violence. One can actually make money in forming a multi-ethnic, producing-consuming 'jeshi' that can work in a globalized economy. AKA mafia. Dirty money. Not in this case @Simon. It will be legitimate money. What's happening here is the creation of digital capital and its conversion to money. the gaarment should pay attention to this tychospeak - turning digital capital into money Not the government; the revolutionary citizens.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,921
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Kayole still works under 'protection' and it is perfect. This is for all tenant, lardlord and local association. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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