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How to tell NSE has bottomed out
mwekez@ji
#5081 Posted : Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:23:22 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Very good news for #team.ke ..... hope it will awaken the market!

hisah
#5082 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:46:57 PM
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KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
murchr
#5083 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 4:30:35 PM
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hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


PE of 5.xy and 3.xy resp very tempting
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mkonomtupu
#5084 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 4:53:18 PM
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hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


Am done with my kengen purchase now waiting for the rights for a further discount and then post rights.

KPLC starting the accumulation let's see how low Mr Market can go Pray Pray
mwekez@ji
#5085 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 5:26:35 PM
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hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


I like this discounting mood. May it keep on smile
Boris Boyka
#5086 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:53:40 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


I like this discounting mood. May it keep on smile

shhhh!!! @hisah how long is long term????
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
whiteowl
#5087 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:26:49 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


I like this discounting mood. May it keep on smile

shhhh!!! @hisah how long is long term????


I'd put that at 3-5 yrs unless something dramatic happens before then. @hisah what say you?
hisah
#5088 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 6:01:51 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


I like this discounting mood. May it keep on smile

shhhh!!! @hisah how long is long term????


I'd put that at 3-5 yrs unless something dramatic happens before then. @hisah what say you?

2016 onwards. Though keep in mind 2017 elections.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Boris Boyka
#5089 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:54:48 AM
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hisah wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


I like this discounting mood. May it keep on smile

shhhh!!! @hisah how long is long term????


I'd put that at 3-5 yrs unless something dramatic happens before then. @hisah what say you?

2016 onwards. Though keep in mind 2017 elections.

From CS Rotich's "budget" with easing taxes on imported solar energy appliances in my view the gaarment and kenyans would lean more to solar energy given kplc connection tariffs went up won't these affect kplc negatively in this "long term??
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
mwekez@ji
#5090 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:31:55 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
hisah wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


I like this discounting mood. May it keep on smile

shhhh!!! @hisah how long is long term????


I'd put that at 3-5 yrs unless something dramatic happens before then. @hisah what say you?

2016 onwards. Though keep in mind 2017 elections.

From CS Rotich's "budget" with easing taxes on imported solar energy appliances in my view the gaarment and kenyans would lean more to solar energy given kplc connection tariffs went up won't these affect kplc negatively in this "long term??


Kenya is a country with demand for power that solar will meet a small percentage of it. That is why the government budget 2014/15 also allocated Kes. 23B for power transmission, Kes. 10B for geothermal and Kes. 10.6B for rural electrification.
hisah
#5091 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:32:42 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
hisah wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
KPLC sub 13/- handle. Kengen sub 9/- handle. Mr market is in discount mood. How much more discounting smile

For long term fans this kplc discounting is eye popping.


I like this discounting mood. May it keep on smile

shhhh!!! @hisah how long is long term????


I'd put that at 3-5 yrs unless something dramatic happens before then. @hisah what say you?

2016 onwards. Though keep in mind 2017 elections.

From CS Rotich's "budget" with easing taxes on imported solar energy appliances in my view the gaarment and kenyans would lean more to solar energy given kplc connection tariffs went up won't these affect kplc negatively in this "long term??


Kenya is a country with demand for power that solar will meet a small percentage of it. That is why the government budget 2014/15 also allocated Kes. 23B for power transmission, Kes. 10B for geothermal and Kes. 10.6B for rural electrification.

Until that day when solar power can sustain a city and in KE to boot, KPLC still has leg room to expand. And most likely when that solar time does come, KPLC will be in business for it as well.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Aguytrying
#5092 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:58:51 PM
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well KENGEN looks interesting before GAVA throws the spanner at some point!

I would call it the lesser evil compared to KPLC,and its business is more straight forward
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Metasploit
#5093 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 11:44:43 AM
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THE BULL IS BACK!AND THE TRADERS ARE BACK!

Deeply oversold KPLC Making an upward move..
Deeply oversold CO-OP making an upward move..

Too many short term choices in the market

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
Aguytrying
#5094 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 3:07:04 PM
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TPS Serena taking it to the chin!! At this rate we will be in upper 20's soon.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
whiteowl
#5095 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 6:35:43 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
TPS Serena taking it to the chin!! At this rate we will be in upper 20's soon.


may the discounts continue coming smile
hisah
#5096 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 5:49:15 AM
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When mpesa bank bollinger bands (BB) constrict, it's that time to pay close attention to the market. Constricted BB mean a breakout (up/down move) is coming. Mpesa bank's heavy index weight influences the overall market direction.

NSE20 climb stalled in Nov 2013 and has dipped to test 4700 with 5000 still a steely resistance zone. NSE20 also face constricted BB and has broken lower.

Mpesa bank price has also stalled with 13 level rejecting advance.

Is it that time for the discounts season?
Is cbk going to hike cbr?
Is KES about to take it in the chin vs $?
Is the tbill rate heading past 11% and higher?
Is inflation going to vault past 10%
Is KE GDP really going to print 4.5% - forget those rosy estimates of plus 5%?

The eurobond trump card ensures $ demand will be high to repay the $ bond interest. If GDP is shrinking where will the KES needed to buy the $ for repayments come from in 2014/2015? If commercial oil flow delays more KES weakness is expected.

KE Macroecon not rosy in 2014/2015 time frame. For short term outlook I expect KES to continue sliding, tbill rates to head up as inflation climbs forcing cbk to hike cbr at some point. Bad for an econ on slow down, but a necessity to firm KES.

Equities don't rally in austerity period and austerity is here though quietly!? Consumer dependent counters to head south in process as consumers cut back spending. Have you been spending less this year or planning to do so (both as a person or biz)? That means less KES movement in the econ (econ slump).

IMO I don't see any upside above 5000 at NSE20. Easier to test 4400 than race above 5k level. Look out for discounts, cheap rights issues etc.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Aguytrying
#5097 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 3:22:08 PM
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noted senior chartist. I don't think anyone following the market can disagree with you. this is co-inciding with a period where I'm sure wanjiku has started getting roped in. sad
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
whiteowl
#5098 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 10:14:58 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
noted senior chartist. I don't think anyone following the market can disagree with you. this is co-inciding with a period where I'm sure wanjiku has started getting roped in. sad


2015 might be full of stories of how wanjiku was "conned" into buying shares.
snipermnoma
#5099 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 1:17:08 PM
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hisah wrote:
When mpesa bank bollinger bands (BB) constrict, it's that time to pay close attention to the market. Constricted BB mean a breakout (up/down move) is coming. Mpesa bank's heavy index weight influences the overall market direction.

NSE20 climb stalled in Nov 2013 and has dipped to test 4700 with 5000 still a steely resistance zone. NSE20 also face constricted BB and has broken lower.

Mpesa bank price has also stalled with 13 level rejecting advance.

Is it that time for the discounts season?
Is cbk going to hike cbr?
Is KES about to take it in the chin vs $?
Is the tbill rate heading past 11% and higher?
Is inflation going to vault past 10%
Is KE GDP really going to print 4.5% - forget those rosy estimates of plus 5%?

The eurobond trump card ensures $ demand will be high to repay the $ bond interest. If GDP is shrinking where will the KES needed to buy the $ for repayments come from in 2014/2015? If commercial oil flow delays more KES weakness is expected.

KE Macroecon not rosy in 2014/2015 time frame. For short term outlook I expect KES to continue sliding, tbill rates to head up as inflation climbs forcing cbk to hike cbr at some point. Bad for an econ on slow down, but a necessity to firm KES.

Equities don't rally in austerity period and austerity is here though quietly!? Consumer dependent counters to head south in process as consumers cut back spending. Have you been spending less this year or planning to do so (both as a person or biz)? That means less KES movement in the econ (econ slump).

IMO I don't see any upside above 5000 at NSE20. Easier to test 4400 than race above 5k level. Look out for discounts, cheap rights issues etc.


Thanks @hisah this is quite informative. Are there counters that thrive in such situations?
hisah
#5100 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:35:05 PM
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@sniper - only those counters that have supportive fundies. But Mr Market can also discount them if there is too much panic selling just like panic buying leads to irrational valuations.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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