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Mumias Sugar huge demand
HaMaina
#581 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:07:08 AM
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I thought the Government already offset the Sugar factory's debts 2 years ago that's not what's being reported in today's Nation.
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
Boris Boyka
#582 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:50:56 AM
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HaMaina wrote:
I thought the Government already offset the Sugar factory's debts 2 years ago that's not what's being reported in today's Nation.

@Ha you're the only "few" advocating for this thing!!!! Nway utakuliwa na ulcers for longer periods then upate pesa ya kujitibu from msc some yrs to come
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
hmmm
#583 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 3:36:30 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Asi, this sugar, this sugar, this sugar, this mumias sugar is heading to 8/-. This bus will not leave me, i am going to get some cum div.
Niende?


Mumias Sugar Company has closed shop indefinitely for lack of sugarcane after a boycott by transporters contracted to deliver.

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Njung'e
#584 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 4:22:42 PM
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hmmm wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Asi, this sugar, this sugar, this sugar, this mumias sugar is heading to 8/-. This bus will not leave me, i am going to get some cum div.
Niende?


Mumias Sugar Company has closed shop indefinitely for lack of sugarcane after a boycott by transporters contracted to deliver.

link



Not true at all.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Njung'e
#585 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 4:25:24 PM
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hmmm wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Asi, this sugar, this sugar, this sugar, this mumias sugar is heading to 8/-. This bus will not leave me, i am going to get some cum div.
Niende?


Mumias Sugar Company has closed shop indefinitely for lack of sugarcane after a boycott by transporters contracted to deliver.

link



Not true at allShame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Liar Liar Liar
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
streetwise
#586 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 4:26:16 PM
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This is what Warren Buffet calls: Blood in the street
hmmm
#587 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 4:48:02 PM
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The Board of Mumias Sugar Company (MSC) has suspended four directors as the company moves to forestall integrity in the management of the country’s largest miller.

http://www.standardmedia...suspends-four-directors
target1360
#588 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 5:49:17 PM
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it is very difficult to predict the future of stocks with significant government shareholding
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
Boris Boyka
#589 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 6:12:18 PM
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target1360 wrote:
it is very difficult to predict the future of stocks with significant government shareholding

@target sometimes we blame gvt or "others" when it's us who dint look around. it's true you cannot predict shares but surely MSC with all the info provided in fact I personally mentioned how the sugar industry of kenyan had problems(miwani chemilil muhoroni mills were shut down among others ) and challenges of recovering with increased illegal imports very high cost of production locally.....low cane production e.t.c sasa ulikua unatarajia pesa itoke wapi ????
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Boris Boyka
#590 Posted : Saturday, June 21, 2014 4:56:33 AM
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chaimani wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
This share could go to ZERO the sugar sector in Kenya is wanting n nobody cares for it I have personally witnessed collapse of Miwani sugar mills; the largest in E A started in 1989 produced spirit,refined sugar n normal sugar with largest cane crushing capacity that was never attained yet with over 20000 acres of plantations. Chemilil followed suit Muhoroni dint escape though Chemilil n Muhoroni r back but still chaos Miwani is dead!!! this share id rather make no money than gumble with it.



I don't think Mumias is crushing sooner or later despite the challenges the sugar sector is facing and the Company in particular,The downward trend seem to catch up with every counter in the market due to other economic factor which are beyond the market,me think the price will head up when the greed overcome fear,but currently i see fear/panic has filled the market,can only wait and see
Anxious Anxious Anxious

If you had been trapped in long ago polee, if you entered this slaughter house recently a speculator na ulikua hapa wazua ulcers ndio zako ugua pole na Lucozade!!!!
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
target1360
#591 Posted : Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:27:52 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
target1360 wrote:
it is very difficult to predict the future of stocks with significant government shareholding

@target sometimes we blame gvt or "others" when it's us who dint look around. it's true you cannot predict shares but surely MSC with all the info provided in fact I personally mentioned how the sugar industry of kenyan had problems(miwani chemilil muhoroni mills were shut down among others ) and challenges of recovering with increased illegal imports very high cost of production locally.....low cane production e.t.c sasa ulikua unatarajia pesa itoke wapi ????


Look at what uchumi,portland,kq et all have been through.Am not aware of any well run 'government co' . except maybe kenya re

It is reasonable to generally avoid companies with significant government share holding in whatever industry because most of the managers/board are political appointees with little or no interest of the shareholders at heart and as such cannot be trusted.
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
snipermnoma
#592 Posted : Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:03:14 PM
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target1360 wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
target1360 wrote:
it is very difficult to predict the future of stocks with significant government shareholding

@target sometimes we blame gvt or "others" when it's us who dint look around. it's true you cannot predict shares but surely MSC with all the info provided in fact I personally mentioned how the sugar industry of kenyan had problems(miwani chemilil muhoroni mills were shut down among others ) and challenges of recovering with increased illegal imports very high cost of production locally.....low cane production e.t.c sasa ulikua unatarajia pesa itoke wapi ????


Look at what uchumi,portland,kq et all have been through.Am not aware of any well run 'government co' . except maybe kenya re

It is reasonable to generally avoid companies with significant government share holding in whatever industry because most of the managers/board are political appointees with little or no interest of the shareholders at heart and as such cannot be trusted.


Target1360 well put. Shareholder value is rarely a major issue in firms with significant government shareholding. I was once in Mumias but thankfully got out in time. The rights issues on NBK and Kengen will also cause significant dilution for existing shareholders. If you invest in these stocks, make sure you have the appetite for the inherent risk.
whiteowl
#593 Posted : Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:17:47 PM
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snipermnoma wrote:
target1360 wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
target1360 wrote:
it is very difficult to predict the future of stocks with significant government shareholding

@target sometimes we blame gvt or "others" when it's us who dint look around. it's true you cannot predict shares but surely MSC with all the info provided in fact I personally mentioned how the sugar industry of kenyan had problems(miwani chemilil muhoroni mills were shut down among others ) and challenges of recovering with increased illegal imports very high cost of production locally.....low cane production e.t.c sasa ulikua unatarajia pesa itoke wapi ????


Look at what uchumi,portland,kq et all have been through.Am not aware of any well run 'government co' . except maybe kenya re

It is reasonable to generally avoid companies with significant government share holding in whatever industry because most of the managers/board are political appointees with little or no interest of the shareholders at heart and as such cannot be trusted.


Target1360 well put. Shareholder value is rarely a major issue in firms with significant government shareholding. I was once in Mumias but thankfully got out in time. The rights issues on NBK and Kengen will also cause significant dilution for existing shareholders. If you invest in these stocks, make sure you have the appetite for the inherent risk.


you can get in after the dilution and get out during the good times coz you're almost always guaranteed they won't last. I got out of NBK with good returns n ill reenter after rights n kengen too. it's true the risk is high but if you get in when the stock is low, your exposure is significantly reduced. about the shareholders value, guys who run the gava firms don't even know what that is!
CuriosityMove
#594 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 9:02:47 AM
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Mumias Sugar re-opened on Saturday and has since been crushing cane.
WaHande
#595 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 10:25:04 AM
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Well there's that, but what about the cheap sugar importation fiasco?
meleck
#596 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 10:40:21 AM
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So kengen is a no go zone for now
Boris Boyka
#597 Posted : Monday, June 23, 2014 10:45:27 AM
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meleck wrote:
So kengen is a no go zone for now

???????!!!?
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
DtheK
#598 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:13:36 AM
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If this is how Mumias exploits the farmers then the company deserves to die a natural death, no more help from gova let them sink or swim.This thing only benefits management and other connected types.
HaMaina
#599 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:08:22 PM
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DtheK wrote:
If this is how Mumias exploits the farmers then the company deserves to die a natural death, no more help from gova let them sink or swim.This thing only benefits management and other connected types.

I believe you are wrong on that opinion, you cant shut down a company which benefits hundreds of thousands of farmers directly either as land owners or workers and 10 or 20 times that number indirectly by being either family, business-owners, health workers, county officials etc on account of a handful of "company officials" who are easily replaced with a simple ad in the papers.That is now lawlessness and anarchy are created not to mention the great probability of the problem spreading to the rest of the country.
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
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streetwise
#600 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:17:54 PM
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I totally agree..Mumias has a lot of social impact where it operates and what is needed is management team of impeachable character and the rest will be history.

Imagine..a company that produces sugar, water and even electricity..I have even seen them adverting tender for building bridges...

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