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AlphDoti
#31 Posted : Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:38:06 AM
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Yet there are men who take (for worship) others besides God, as equal (with God). They love them as they should love God. But those of Faith are overflowing in their love for God. If only the unrighteous could see, behold, they would see the penalty: that to God belongs all power, and God will strongly enforce the Punishment. Quran 2:165

And (on the last day) those who followed would say:
"If only we had one more chance, we would clear ourselves of them (partners besides God), as they have cleared themselves of (God)"
Thus will God show them (The fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire. Quran 2:167
AlphDoti
#32 Posted : Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:43:57 AM
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Jesus (pbuh) puts it straight in Matt 21:42 that: "prophethood will be given to another people who will bring forth good results because Jews kept killing prophets".

Jesus (pbuh) tells them a day will come when they will not worship in Jerusalem. John 4:21.

Why? Because "...mnaabudu msichokijua"
Why? Because one day "... wale waabuduo halisi, watamwabudu Baba katika roho na kweli."

Now look at this: "Unabii Dhidi Ya Arabia" Isaiah 21:13.
Yaani "Neno kuhusu Arabia... katika vichaka vya Arabia".
Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God, a messenger who will bring down a law and "shall not fail nor be discouraged..."
Isaiah 42:11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar.

Who is Kedar?
According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael.
So which prophet was descended from Kedar, who descended from Ishmael?

Jesus said: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter..." John 14:16
Jesus said: "I must go away, for the comforter to come unto you..." John 16:7
Jesus said: "I have yet many things to say unto you... but you cannot listen to me now... but when he comes, he will guide you unto all truth" John 16:12-14

NOTE: the holy Spirit has always been there
Before Jesus was born: Luke 1:15, Luke 1:41, 1:67.
During Jesus time: Luke 2:26, Luke 3:22, Matt 12:28, Luke 11:20.
guru267
#33 Posted : Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:58:11 AM
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Christ is the Holy Spirit
Christ is the living Word of God
Christ WAS before Abraham
Christ is the Messiah
Christ is the servant and messenger (son in Hebrew) of God
Christ is without sin
Christ is the earthly King of Kings
Christ will return again
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
murchr
#34 Posted : Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:44:50 PM
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Revelation 18:2
And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird. 3"For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality."…

Babylon = IRAQ
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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symbols
#35 Posted : Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:13:02 PM
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AlphDoti
#36 Posted : Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:13:02 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Christ is the Holy Spirit
Christ is the living Word of God
Christ WAS before Abraham
Christ is the Messiah
Christ is the servant and messenger (son in Hebrew) of God
Christ is without sin
Christ is the earthly King of Kings
Christ will return again

@guru please note Allah (Almighty God) is Khaliq, the Creator.
He has created all that exists through His Word "Be!" and it becomes.
He needs no help in creation.
He Has created life and he has created death.
I must remind you here that that His Word did not only become flesh.
His Word became whatever it was meant to become.
If it was flesh, it became flesh.
If it was sun, it became sun, moon, water and indeed everything else.

God has created each one of us.
AlphDoti
#37 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 11:04:44 PM
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“I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds the day an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind…
I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life.
It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission.These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle.”
[The collected works of mahatma gandhi, vol. 29, pg. 133]
guru267
#38 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:19:42 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Christ is the Holy Spirit
Christ is the living Word of God
Christ WAS before Abraham
Christ is the Messiah
Christ is the servant and messenger (son in Hebrew) of God
Christ is without sin
Christ is the earthly King of Kings
Christ will return again

@guru please note Allah (Almighty God) is Khaliq, the Creator.
He has created all that exists through His Word "Be!" and it becomes.
He needs no help in creation.
He Has created life and he has created death.
I must remind you here that that His Word did not only become flesh.
His Word became whatever it was meant to become.
If it was flesh, it became flesh.
If it was sun, it became sun, moon, water and indeed everything else.

God has created each one of us.


Nothing changes from what i have written about Christ!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
newfarer
#39 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:10:56 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2010
Posts: 3,505
Location: Uganda
Genesis 1:26 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image,
according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the
fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle,
and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
Footnotes:
a. Genesis 1:26 Heb adam
b. Genesis 1:26 Syr: Heb and over all the earth



LET US....Is this the source of trinity doctrine.


alpha does Koran have similar verses?
punda amecheka
newfarer
#40 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:29:08 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2010
Posts: 3,505
Location: Uganda
saw this:
ﻭَﻟَﻘَﺪْ ﺧَﻠَﻘْﻨَﺎ ﺍﻟْﺈِﻧﺴَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻦ ﺳُﻠَﺎﻟَﺔٍ ﻣِّﻦ ﻃِﻴﻦٍ
ﺛُﻢَّ ﺟَﻌَﻠْﻨَﺎﻩُ ﻧُﻄْﻔَﺔً ﻓِﻲ ﻗَﺮَﺍﺭٍ ﻣَّﻜِﻴﻦٍ
ﺛُﻢَّ ﺧَﻠَﻘْﻨَﺎ ﺍﻟﻨُّﻄْﻔَﺔَ ﻋَﻠَﻘَﺔً ﻓَﺨَﻠَﻘْﻨَﺎ ﺍﻟْﻌَﻠَﻘَﺔَ ﻣُﻀْﻐَﺔً ﻓَﺨَﻠَﻘْﻨَﺎ
ﺍﻟْﻤُﻀْﻐَﺔَ ﻋِﻈَﺎﻣًﺎ ﻓَﻜَﺴَﻮْﻧَﺎ ﺍﻟْﻌِﻈَﺎﻡَ ﻟَﺤْﻤًﺎ ﺛُﻢَّ ﺃَﻧﺸَﺄْﻧَﺎﻩُ ﺧَﻠْﻘًﺎ
ﺁﺧَﺮَ ﻓَﺘَﺒَﺎﺭَﻙَ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﺃَﺣْﺴَﻦُ ﺍﻟْﺨَﺎﻟِﻘِﻴﻦَ
“Verily We created man from a product of wet
earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a
safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a
clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little
lump, then We fashioned the little lump into
bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and
then produced it another creation. So blessed be
Allah, the Best of Creators !” [23:12-14]


alpha explain the WE...part in reference to Trinity
punda amecheka
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