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Harambee stars off to Brazil courtesy of PORK
Alba
#31 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:21:42 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Alba wrote:
I am so glad we are having this discussion. Most people mouthing off here are people who generally do not follow local sports. Some do not even follow sports at all. They do not know what it takes to build a successful national team. They think sending a team to watch games in Brazil will make the national team better. I am glad to have a chance to educate y'all.

I just hope that Uhuru advisors are reading the reaction in social media among real football fans not psycophants. I personally do not care about politics. But I want to see the national team succeed. This is not an CORD vs Jubilee issue. Uhuru said this is about making the national team better. Lets stick to those facts in this debate.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Nani, get off your high donkey, if this is not about politics then I don't see why you're even commenting about uhuru and how he wants to use his own personal cash( hope you understand that is not your cash) Calling people sycophants and all manner of names does not make you less of a sycophant yourself.
Wacha harambee stars wajienjoy, stop pretending as if if he had sponsored the under 17 team they would have won the next world cup!
By the way hio link yako, does it mean commenting there makes them more of football fans than the rest of us?

Again, your bile betrays you, yet you "try"so hard to conceal the obvious.



You are so clownish. This whole thread if about what the fact that Uhuru is sending players to Brazil. Thats why I am talking about Uhuru.

This is not just about Uhuru's cash. This is about the fact that he says this will raise the standards of football. My claim is that it will not. I do not care what Uhuru does with his cash. But I do know that sending players to Brazil will not raise standards. Sorry but those are facts.

In fact sending players to laze around in the middle of the Kenya premier league is detrimental to the teams. Players need to stay in shape throughout the season. They need to stay in shape because Harambee stars has some big matches coming up.

Stop posting nonsense. You expose your ignorance by saying the U17 team would have gone to the world cup. They were not trying to go to the world cup. This is about the fact that Kenya constantly ignores youth teams then seeks quick short-cuts to success. You cannot succeed unless you build youth teams.


I posted that link to show you the reaction of football fans. If Uhuru wanted to appeal to football fans to increase his voter base then he has failed. Remember. Uhuru does not have to appeal to sycophants such as yourself. He knows you will vote for him nop matter what. What he was trying to do is appeal to people outside his base. In which case he has failed miserably. Thats why he needs advice.

Finally people like you who know nothing about sports should just be quiet, sit in a corner and learn.

You can talk about bile all you want. I am sticking to discussing the sports aspect of this. In fact if I was against Uhuru I would never say anything. I would just be quiet and let him continue to commit such clueless errors. But I do want Kenya football to succeed which is why I am speaking here.
ecstacy
#32 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:27:22 PM
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It is a REWARD as pledged for winning the CECAFA trophy after years in the cold and done using someone's PERSONAL funds. These haters can fCUCK off!!!

Greater still, these haters can do an MPESA harambee with their PERSONAL funds and action all these manenoz they talking.
Kratos
#33 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:37:36 PM
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Alba wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Alba wrote:
I am so glad we are having this discussion. Most people mouthing off here are people who generally do not follow local sports. Some do not even follow sports at all. They do not know what it takes to build a successful national team. They think sending a team to watch games in Brazil will make the national team better. I am glad to have a chance to educate y'all.

I just hope that Uhuru advisors are reading the reaction in social media among real football fans not psycophants. I personally do not care about politics. But I want to see the national team succeed. This is not an CORD vs Jubilee issue. Uhuru said this is about making the national team better. Lets stick to those facts in this debate.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Nani, get off your high donkey, if this is not about politics then I don't see why you're even commenting about uhuru and how he wants to use his own personal cash( hope you understand that is not your cash) Calling people sycophants and all manner of names does not make you less of a sycophant yourself.
Wacha harambee stars wajienjoy, stop pretending as if if he had sponsored the under 17 team they would have won the next world cup!
By the way hio link yako, does it mean commenting there makes them more of football fans than the rest of us?

Again, your bile betrays you, yet you "try"so hard to conceal the obvious.



You are so clownish. This whole thread if about what the fact that Uhuru is sending players to Brazil. Thats why I am talking about Uhuru.

This is not just about Uhuru's cash. This is about the fact that he says this will raise the standards of football. My claim is that it will not. I do not care what Uhuru does with his cash. But I do know that sending players to Brazil will not raise standards. Sorry but those are facts.

In fact sending players to laze around in the middle of the Kenya premier league is detrimental to the teams. Players need to stay in shape throughout the season. They need to stay in shape because Harambee stars has some big matches coming up.

Stop posting nonsense. You expose your ignorance by saying the U17 team would have gone to the world cup. They were not trying to go to the world cup. This is about the fact that Kenya constantly ignores youth teams then seeks quick short-cuts to success. You cannot succeed unless you build youth teams.


I posted that link to show you the reaction of football fans. If Uhuru wanted to appeal to football fans to increase his voter base then he has failed. Remember. Uhuru does not have to appeal to sycophants such as yourself. He knows you will vote for him nop matter what. What he was trying to do is appeal to people outside his base. In which case he has failed miserably. Thats why he needs advice.

Finally people like you who know nothing about sports should just be quiet, sit in a corner and learn.

You can talk about bile all you want. I am sticking to discussing the sports aspect of this. In fact if I was against Uhuru I would never say anything. I would just be quiet and let him continue to commit such clueless errors. But I do want Kenya football to succeed which is why I am speaking here.


Yes people like me know nothing about sports your highness alba since you know me so well. When all is said and done bado inaitwa BILE no matter how you sugar coat it with your pretentious authority on local sports.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Alba
#34 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:18:41 PM
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Kratos wrote:




Yes people like me know nothing about sports your highness alba since you know me so well. When all is said and done bado inaitwa BILE no matter how you sugar coat it with your pretentious authority on local sports.


If saying I have bile makes you happy then suit yourself. To me hiyo ni utoto and it does not bother me one bit. If you think I have bile then so be it. I do not care. I don't even know why I would have bile. But whatever ............

But the issue at hand is as follows: Uhuru says that the trip to Brazil will raise the standards of football. I say that not only is that not true but may actually have detrimental effects to teams in the premier league. Such solutions may actually be detrimental to player development because they should be focused on training.

Siasa aside, that is the issue at hand. Does anyone here actually think that sending players to Brazil will raise standards ? If so then come and have a grown up debate.
kysse
#35 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:45:28 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
It is a REWARD as pledged for winning the CECAFA trophy after years in the cold


Debate closed.

A promise is a Debt,doesn't matter how silly it sounds.smile

nendeni mkawatch ball.
Alba
#36 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:03:00 PM
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kysse wrote:


It is a REWARD as pledged for winning the CECAFA trophy after years in the cold [/color][/size]

Debate closed.

A promise is a Debt,doesn't matter how silly it sounds.smile

nendeni mkawatch ball.


Kysse

This is what Uhuru promised when Kenya won the cecafa cup


He assured that the Government would work with other stakeholders to bring transformational management in football.

President Kenyatta reiterated his directive that lotteries in the country be dedicated to promotion of sports, arts and the environment from January next year.

Cabinet Secretary Sports Arts and Culture Dr. Hassan Wario said his ministry was committed to promoting youth talent in the country.

“Youth focus on what they do best – sports. Let us not introduce politics in the administration of sports in the country,” the minister said.


Source:
http://www.sportsnewsare...rs-following-cecafa-win

This is the point I am making. There is a lot that president and the govt can do to raise standards of football. The points he raised above are very good and is what is needed.

Hiyo mambo ya promising to send team to Brazil is something that is coming up just now.

If Kusema na kutenda is true basi wacha atende the parts in blue above.
ecstacy
#37 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:03:01 PM
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kysse wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
It is a REWARD as pledged for winning the CECAFA trophy after years in the cold


Debate closed.

A promise is a Debt,doesn't matter how silly it sounds.smile

nendeni mkawatch ball.


smile
murchr
#38 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:17:27 PM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:



A sports minister is supposed to advice on policy that will better sports and such like events in the country. NOT to tell the president "no...dont send these people to Brazil buy them a field". Do you even know how that sounds? Football in Kenya is in a turmoil because of those officials at KFF not because of Uhuru or the lack of fields, if you want to see this reality, watch the schools sporting events. Why have Rugby Volleyball and Athletics succeeded? KFF should gets its house in order. Am sorry but Uhuru cannot be blamed for this. Sasa enda kwa thread ingine ukamtafute huko



You are basically saying that a president should only surround himself with people who only tell him "YES". In other words surround himself with sycophants. That is a recipe for disaster. A leader should surround himself with people who are willing to correct him and tell him what it will take to make himself popular with a certain demographic.

Football in Kenya is in turmoil for a lot of reasons not just KFF or FKF. Clearly you know nothing about football. Kids growing up today will never be good at football if they have no fields to sharpen their skills on. The reason Kenya produced much better footballers in the 1970s and 1980s is precisly because these guys grew up in an era of abundant open spaces. Back then every estate in Eastlands and even middle class estates always had open spaces for play.

I am not blaming Uhuru for anything. Stop putting words in my mouth for once. I am saying sending players to Brazil does not help raise the standards of football. I am saying there is a lot more that a president can do to raise the standards. Sorry but sending players to Brazil is not one of them. Lets stick to the issue at hand.


There are certain leaders in Kenya who are actually doing things to improve sports: Mutua in Machakos has built a stadium. This will actually raise the profile of the league by bringing games to Machakos.


FKF KFF yote sawa, a cut of the same cloth. There are no rugby pitches everywhere but we have great rugby players. Rugby is predominantly played in schs not in fields out of nowhere. Our runners practice in sch playing fields, but they excel anyway. Football in Kenya is f*d'up by those tribal clubs and their members, so don't expect any miracle. Going to Brazil may or may not help the players but its a gift that the president felt they deserved. Sasa wewe hauna say its his money he chooses what to do with it.
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kysse
#39 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:44:59 PM
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Alba wrote:


This is what Uhuru promised when Kenya won the cecafa cup

He assured that the Government would work with other stakeholders to bring transformational management in football.

President Kenyatta reiterated his directive that lotteries in the country be dedicated to promotion of sports, arts and the environment from January next year.

Cabinet Secretary Sports Arts and Culture Dr. Hassan Wario said his ministry was committed to promoting youth talent in the country.

“Youth focus on what they do best – sports. Let us not introduce politics in the administration of sports in the country,” the minister said.


Source:
http://www.sportsnewsare...rs-following-cecafa-win


ecstacy wrote:
kysse wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
It is a REWARD as pledged for winning the CECAFA trophy after years in the cold



smile

Where is your link Ecstasy?

Alba
#40 Posted : Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:36:18 PM
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murchr wrote:
[quote=Alba][quote=murchr]


FKF KFF yote sawa, a cut of the same cloth. There are no rugby pitches everywhere but we have great rugby players. Rugby is predominantly played in schs not in fields out of nowhere. Our runners practice in sch playing fields, but they excel anyway. Football in Kenya is f*d'up by those tribal clubs and their members, so don't expect any miracle. Going to Brazil may or may not help the players but its a gift that the president felt they deserved. Sasa wewe hauna say its his money he chooses what to do with it.



Rugby is a completely different animal. You do not have to practise your rugby skills as much as you do in football. There have been numerous cases of players who never played rugby in secondary school and still excelled. For example the Kenya women's sevens team consists almost entirely of players who had never touched a rugby ball until after they finished form 4. If you are big or have speed or are very agile or if you are the kind of person who is not scared of delivering adn receiving big hits then you can excel. I know players who played for the Kenya XV team who had never played in secondary school. One player (Mwololo) became so good that he was invited to the UK for trials. Yet he had never played rugby until he was almost 20. But his breathtaking speed is what carried him.

Football is the exact opposite. Football relies entirely on muscle memory and skill development. You simply cannot learn how to kick a ball at age 18 and expect to succeed. Those who have been playing their whole lives and sharpening their skills every day are the ones who succeed. yet 60% of Nairobians live in slums with no fields. Many of them do not go to secondary school anyway due to lack of funds so its not as if they have an alternate place to play.

With regard to football being messed up by tribal clubs, you are talking absolute nonsense. In fact Kenya football thrived in the 1970s and 1980s when the tribal element was stronger. This was the era of teams like GEMA, Luo Union, Maragoli, Abaluhya, Abeingo etc. People like you know jack squat about Kenya football and its history.

There are myriad reasons why football standards in Kenya are low but tribal clubs are not one of them. Today members of every ethnic group play for these clubs and support these clubs. You need to put on your thinking hat and come up with good logic. Start by telling us why so called tribal clubs have messed up football rather than just making assertions that have no basis .

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