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Harambee stars off to Brazil courtesy of PORK
Alba
#21 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:32:45 PM
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murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
Classic case of misplaced priorities. Kenya is always withdrawing from youth tourneys due to lack of funds.

Thats why I laugh when I hear people say ati UK was a rugby player. And his sports minister Wario cannot advise him any better since he too is clueless about what it takes to build a succesful national team.


Who should dictate what Uhuru Kenyatta the man should prioritize with his money? Why should Wario advise him on what his dime should do? Come one man, tone your bile and get your facts right before you spill your verbal diarrhea.


Can you read ? No one said dictate. I said Wario should advise him. Or rather an astute sports minister should advise him

Uhuru claims he is doing this to promote football and raise the standards of the national team. He is dead wrong on that. You don't raise standards by sending the team to watch games.If anything that has the opposite effect. Thats why the reaction from social media among those who know football has been negative. If Uhuru is doing this to popularize himself among Harambee stars fans then he has failed miserably.Thats why he needs advice.

For one thing he is taking players away in the middle of the Kenya premier league when players should be training. I am sure even national coach Amrouche is not pleased with this.


- The players have been asking for friendlies which are crucial to test their tactics. Yet they are always told there is no money. If Kenya does not play friendlies soon, they will be embarassed by lesotho.
- The youth teams are always being withdrawn from tournaments. How can Kenya progress if you do not develop the youth.
- Fields are disappearing to land grabbers. Vijana mitaani have nowhere to sharpen their skills.
- The women's league has folded due to lack of finances.
- There are no youth development structures in Kenya which is why Kenya is useless at football.

If Uhuru wanted to endear himself to football fans he should have addressed some of these issues. Now he has exposed himself as a person who knows nothing about sports. And so has Wario.

Some of you are just too sycophantic to see logic. Or you simply know nothing about football.

Fans will not be elated to see players go to Brazil as spectators. But they would have been happy to see Uhuru come to the rescue of the national U17 team which was due to play S. Sudan but was withdrawn for lack of finances.
freiks
#22 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:39:38 PM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
Classic case of misplaced priorities. Kenya is always withdrawing from youth tourneys due to lack of funds.

Thats why I laugh when I hear people say ati UK was a rugby player. And his sports minister Wario cannot advise him any better since he too is clueless about what it takes to build a succesful national team.


Who should dictate what Uhuru Kenyatta the man should prioritize with his money? Why should Wario advise him on what his dime should do? Come one man, tone your bile and get your facts right before you spill your verbal diarrhea.


Can you read ? No one said dictate. I said Wario should advise him.

Uhuru claims he is doing this to prmote football and raise the standards of the national team. He is dead wrong on that. You don't raise standards by sending the team to watch games.If anything that has the opposite effect. Thats why the reaction from social media among those who know football has been negative. If Uhuru is doing this to popularize himself among Harambee stars fans then he has failed miserably. Thats why he needs advice.

The players have been asking for friendlies which are crucial to test their tactics. the youth teams are always being withdrawn from tournaments. Fields are dissapearing to land grabbers. The women's league has folded due to lack of finances. If Uhuru wanted to endear himself to football fans he should have addressed these issues. Now he has exposed himself as a person who knows nothing about sports. And so has Wario.



It was a pledge done long ago, why are guys getting this thing wrong all the time?
Life is an endless adventure
murchr
#23 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:41:24 PM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
Classic case of misplaced priorities. Kenya is always withdrawing from youth tourneys due to lack of funds.

Thats why I laugh when I hear people say ati UK was a rugby player. And his sports minister Wario cannot advise him any better since he too is clueless about what it takes to build a succesful national team.


Who should dictate what Uhuru Kenyatta the man should prioritize with his money? Why should Wario advise him on what his dime should do? Come one man, tone your bile and get your facts right before you spill your verbal diarrhea.


Can you read ? No one said dictate. I said Wario should advise him.

Uhuru claims he is doing this to prmote football and raise the standards of the national team. He is dead wrong on that. You don't raise standards by sending the team to watch games.If anything that has the opposite effect. Thats why the reaction from social media among those who know football has been negative. If Uhuru is doing this to popularize himself among Harambee stars fans then he has failed miserably. Thats why he needs advice.

The players have been asking for friendlies which are crucial to test their tactics. the youth teams are always being withdrawn from tournaments. Fields are dissapearing to land grabbers. The women's league has folded due to lack of finances. If Uhuru wanted to ender himself to football fans he should have addressed these issues. Now he has exposed himself as a person who knows nothing about sports. And so has Wario.



Why should a govt employee advise the president on what to do with his money? If fields are disappearing then the land commission should solve that issue, that is not the role of the presidency. The existing fields are supposed to be rehabilitated by the county govt - again thats not for the president. The friendlies, whats the work of the KFF? Do you know what FIFA says about govt interference with the Football Federations in member countries? Again, get your facts right
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Alba
#24 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:46:24 PM
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murchr wrote:


Why should a govt employee advise the president on what to do with his money? If fields are disappearing then the land commission should solve that issue, that is not the role of the presidency. The existing fields are supposed to be rehabilitated by the county govt - again thats not for the president. The friendlies, whats the work of the KFF? Do you know what FIFA says about govt interference with the Football Federations in member countries? Again, get your facts right



Are you kidding ? Cabinet ministers are supposed to advise the president. They are supposed to be the experts to guide the president on policy. Tell me who else is close enough to advise the president on matters relating to sports if not the sports minister ?

Uhuru can resolve the land issue much faster simply by a presidential directive. I am sure you know that there is a lot of bureacracy and corruption at the land commision and nothing gets done. Why do you think land grabbing happens in the 1st place.

You clearly know nothing about football. FIFA does not forbid the government from paying for friendlies. It forbids them from appointing Federation officials.

Funny how you keep telling me to get my facts straight yet all your facts are dead wrongLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Go look at what FIFA actually forbids before talking. In fact in most African countries, the government pays the expenses of the national team.
Kratos
#25 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:47:12 PM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
Classic case of misplaced priorities. Kenya is always withdrawing from youth tourneys due to lack of funds.

Thats why I laugh when I hear people say ati UK was a rugby player. And his sports minister Wario cannot advise him any better since he too is clueless about what it takes to build a succesful national team.


Who should dictate what Uhuru Kenyatta the man should prioritize with his money? Why should Wario advise him on what his dime should do? Come one man, tone your bile and get your facts right before you spill your verbal diarrhea.


Can you read ? No one said dictate. I said Wario should advise him. Or rather an astute sports minister should advise him

Uhuru claims he is doing this to promote football and raise the standards of the national team. He is dead wrong on that. You don't raise standards by sending the team to watch games.If anything that has the opposite effect. Thats why the reaction from social media among those who know football has been negative. If Uhuru is doing this to popularize himself among Harambee stars fans then he has failed miserably.Thats why he needs advice.

For one thing he is taking players away in the middle of the Kenya premier league when players should be training. I am sure even national coach Amrouche is not pleased with this.


- The players have been asking for friendlies which are crucial to test their tactics. Yet they are always told there is no money.
- The youth teams are always being withdrawn from tournaments. How can Kenya progress if you do not develop the youth.
- Fields are disappearing to land grabbers. Vijana mitaani have nowhere to sharpen their skills.
- The women's league has folded due to lack of finances.
- There are no youth development structures in Kenya which is why Kenya is useless at football.

If Uhuru wanted to endear himself to football fans he should have addressed these issues. Now he has exposed himself as a person who knows nothing about sports. And so has Wario.

Some of you are just too sycophantic to see logic.



One word, bile (machungu). Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly So Ouru is responsible for the incompetence of the Kenyan FA? Your bile betrays you!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Wacha watu walipiwe trip wajienjoy wacheni upus!

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Alba
#26 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:49:28 PM
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Kratos wrote:



One word, bile (machungu). Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly So Ouru is responsible for the incompetence of the Kenyan FA? Your bile betrays you!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Wacha watu walipiwe trip wajienjoy wacheni upus!


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Sorry but I have to laugh at this. You think I feel bad because the players are going to Brazil ?
Go look at the reaction of football fans. You can see for yourself at the link below


http://www.futaa.com/foo...arambee-stars-to-brazil


Uhuru is making a clown of himself. If anything he should listen to the reaction in social media if he wants to endear himself to football fans.

Believe me. If Uhuru had come to the rescue of the U17 team which was withdrawn, all football fans including myself would be cheering him.

But you can carry on with your sycophancy if you want to
Alba
#27 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:55:22 PM
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I am so glad we are having this discussion. Most people mouthing off here are people who generally do not follow local sports. Some do not even follow sports at all. They do not know what it takes to build a successful national team. They think sending a team to watch games in Brazil will make the national team better. I am glad to have a chance to educate y'all.

I just hope that Uhuru advisors are reading the reaction in social media among real football fans not psycophants. I personally do not care about politics. But I want to see the national team succeed. This is not an CORD vs Jubilee issue. Uhuru said this is about making the national team better. Lets stick to those facts in this debate.
murchr
#28 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:02:31 PM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:


Why should a govt employee advise the president on what to do with his money? If fields are disappearing then the land commission should solve that issue, that is not the role of the presidency. The existing fields are supposed to be rehabilitated by the county govt - again thats not for the president. The friendlies, whats the work of the KFF? Do you know what FIFA says about govt interference with the Football Federations in member countries? Again, get your facts right



Are you kidding ? Cabinet ministers are supposed to advise the president. They are supposed to be the experts to guide the president on policy. Tell me who else is close enough to advise the president on matters relating to sports if not the sports minister ?

Uhuru can resolve the land issue much faster simply by a presidential directive. I am sure you know that there is a lot of bureacracy and corruption at the land commision and nothing gets done. Why do you think land grabbing happens in the 1st place.

You clearly know nothing about football. FIFA does not forbid the government from paying for friendlies. It forbids them from appointing Federation officials.

Funny how you keep telling me to get my facts straight yet all your facts are dead wrongLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Go look at what FIFA actually forbids before talking. In fact in most African countries, the government pays the expenses of the national team.


A sports minister is supposed to advice on policy that will better sports and such like events in the country. NOT to tell the president "no...dont send these people to Brazil buy them a field" or "Coarse Brazil to play with Kenya". Do you even know how that sounds? Who is that dying to play with Harambee Stars?

Football in Kenya is in a turmoil because of those officials at KFF not because of Uhuru or the lack of fields, if you want to see this reality, watch the schools sporting events. Why have Rugby Volleyball and Athletics succeeded? KFF should gets its house in order. Am sorry but Uhuru cannot be blamed for this. Sasa enda kwa thread ingine ukamtafute huko
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Kratos
#29 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:06:13 PM
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Joined: 9/19/2011
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Alba wrote:
I am so glad we are having this discussion. Most people mouthing off here are people who generally do not follow local sports. Some do not even follow sports at all. They do not know what it takes to build a successful national team. They think sending a team to watch games in Brazil will make the national team better. I am glad to have a chance to educate y'all.

I just hope that Uhuru advisors are reading the reaction in social media among real football fans not psycophants. I personally do not care about politics. But I want to see the national team succeed. This is not an CORD vs Jubilee issue. Uhuru said this is about making the national team better. Lets stick to those facts in this debate.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Nani, get off your high donkey, if this is not about politics then I don't see why you're even commenting about uhuru and how he wants to use his own personal cash( hope you understand that is not your cash) Calling people sycophants and all manner of names does not make you less of a sycophant yourself.
Wacha harambee stars wajienjoy, stop pretending as if if he had sponsored the under 17 team they would have won the next world cup!
By the way hio link yako, does it mean commenting there makes them more of football fans than the rest of us?

Again, your bile betrays you, yet you "try"so hard to conceal the obvious.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Alba
#30 Posted : Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:10:18 PM
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murchr wrote:



A sports minister is supposed to advice on policy that will better sports and such like events in the country. NOT to tell the president "no...dont send these people to Brazil buy them a field". Do you even know how that sounds? Football in Kenya is in a turmoil because of those officials at KFF not because of Uhuru or the lack of fields, if you want to see this reality, watch the schools sporting events. Why have Rugby Volleyball and Athletics succeeded? KFF should gets its house in order. Am sorry but Uhuru cannot be blamed for this. Sasa enda kwa thread ingine ukamtafute huko



You are basically saying that a president should only surround himself with people who only tell him "YES". In other words surround himself with sycophants. That is a recipe for disaster. A leader should surround himself with people who are willing to correct him and tell him what it will take to make himself popular with a certain demographic.

Football in Kenya is in turmoil for a lot of reasons not just KFF or FKF. Clearly you know nothing about football. Kids growing up today will never be good at football if they have no fields to sharpen their skills on. The reason Kenya produced much better footballers in the 1970s and 1980s is precisly because these guys grew up in an era of abundant open spaces. Back then every estate in Eastlands and even middle class estates always had open spaces for play.

I am not blaming Uhuru for anything. Stop putting words in my mouth for once. I am saying sending players to Brazil does not help raise the standards of football. I am saying there is a lot more that a president can do to raise the standards. Sorry but sending players to Brazil is not one of them. Lets stick to the issue at hand.


There are certain leaders in Kenya who are actually doing things to improve sports: Mutua in Machakos has built a stadium. This will actually raise the profile of the league by bringing games to Machakos.
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