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Are mothers of my generation weaker than before?
lisaox
#1 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 1:27:04 AM
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I was at a relative's party on Sunday and at a point the discussion floated around motherhood and moms. I said my two cents on the topic as follows: I think women of my mom's generation (she's headed to 60) and before had a really hard time and generally bad quality of life. They got married when they were still kids and or had kids when they were still kids. They had to grow up so fast and manage their homes so early because the men they married generally were their first borns waiting on them for everything, demanding attention and then throwing tantrums. They had no choice in most family matters. They put up with bad behaviour from their husbands (drinking husbands especially)for years but were never expected to leave their husbands as if they did they would be casstigated by society, starting with their own dads and uncles.
I was quickly corrected and told that those womens' joy and good quality of life precisely came from the children they got so early and whom they actually grew up with. That what i perceive to be involuntary selflessness in the way women withstood pain and anguish caused by husbands ( i mean, what could they do, society expected them to stay in the marriage and raise happy children)was actually precisely voluntary because it is in that that they found joy.

There are many things i find wrong, unfair and even inhuman in what many of our moms were put through.

Is that generation of women happier today (having withstood incredible pains for say 40 years) than the new generation of moms in their 30s who wonder how people can have 5 kids when 1 is oh so overwhelming and oh too much responsibility, and who want 'me time' and weekends to 'hang out with the gals' and evenings to sip a drink quietly with their husbands occassionally on a reggae nite, and if it doesnt work out because he is cheating are willing to move out, separate and keep raising their children and kinda move on while the generation of our moms looks on with their mouths agape in judgement?
Siringi
#2 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 3:45:23 AM
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Was about to say hii swali pelekea maina kagenj but I remembered even the fathers of my generation are wussiessmile Laughing out loudly smile Laughing out loudly

Evidence ndiyo hii ==> wanaume kama mabinti eti faces of the new fathersShame on you Shame on you Shame on you
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sparkly
#3 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 6:24:22 AM
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Hapo kuna maswali nyeti. Lets breakdown issues to chewable chunks:
- Pros and cons of delayed marriage and motherhood?
- Pros and cons of modern education, formal employment and urbanisation on marriage and motherhood.
Life is short. Live passionately.
mkeiy
#4 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 8:18:12 AM
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Siringi wrote:
Was about to say hii swali pelekea maina kagenj but I remembered even the fathers of my generation are wussiessmile Laughing out loudly smile Laughing out loudly

Evidence ndiyo hii ==> wanaume kama mabinti eti faces of the new fathersShame on you Shame on you Shame on you



Essence of life is HAPPINESS.

What those men are doing is neither crime nor sin.

Old age will tell who was on the right track of things for this generation.
Mukiri
#5 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 9:24:33 AM
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Great debate.

I'll blame todays diet and television. Homes fed on good healthy unprocessed food, that are devoid of TVs, produce decent women. Whatever level of education or empowerment, notwithstanding. Look around.

Proverbs 19:21
Muheani
#6 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 10:59:52 AM
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lisaox wrote:

Is that generation of women happier today (having withstood incredible pains for say 40 years) than the new generation of moms in their 30s who wonder how people can have 5 kids when 1 is oh so overwhelming and oh too much responsibility, and who want 'me time' and weekends to 'hang out with the gals' and evenings to sip a drink quietly with their husbands occassionally on a reggae nite, and if it doesnt work out because he is cheating are willing to move out, separate and keep raising their children and kinda move on while the generation of our moms looks on with their mouths agape in judgement?



Not Mothers only hata sis waume... but you might get a hint as to "why" by asking yourself why you wait for the lift to go one or Two floors Up or down....
Tebes
#7 Posted : Friday, May 30, 2014 11:31:23 AM
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mkeiy wrote:
Siringi wrote:
Was about to say hii swali pelekea maina kagenj but I remembered even the fathers of my generation are wussiessmile Laughing out loudly smile Laughing out loudly

Evidence ndiyo hii ==> wanaume kama mabinti eti faces of the new fathersShame on you Shame on you Shame on you



Essence of life is HAPPINESS.

What those men are doing is neither crime nor sin.

Old age will tell who was on the right track of things for this generation.


Blame the genes....XXY
"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
Murang'a
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:25:10 AM
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wanawake wa siku hizi wana shida, this one tied a baby onto her gown and dragged her down the aisle
http://www.standardmedia...ack-of-her-wedding-dress
IMITATION IS LIMITATION
symbols
#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:37:38 PM
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In previous generations gender roles played a large role in shaping the identity of an individual.The values advanced by this "man's world" consider feminine 'behaviour' to be weakness,competition is the norm and self-identity and expression is being 'promoted/protected' by and in a tussle with society.Weak or strong,it seems it's now in the values of the beholder.
AlphDoti
#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:59:20 PM
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I pity the young generation so much, did somebody called them xxy?


You see men and women are equal in the eyes of God, but they have different roles, and the roles may NOT be equal, because they are not equal physically, emotionally etc. Also all children are equal, but their roles and capabilities are NOT equal.

People can never be equal. Take for example a group of students in a class. No matter what, those students will have different strengths in different areas. No matter what, not all of them will score 1st class honours (I'm yet to see that happen).

So I wonder when I see people say you must give all these students (plus the E ones) similar job in a corporation.

How? No way. Some must end up being the cleaners, some CEOs, some middle management, some will dig trenches to lay fiber, some will milk the cows, some will be house girls etc. That way, you have somebody in each of the roles required for a balance society.

Look at this excellent analogy.
Murang'a
#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:05:40 PM
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[quote=AlphDoti]I pity the young generation so much, did somebody called them xxy?


You see men and women are equal in the eyes of God, but they have different roles, and the roles may NOT be equal, because they are not equal physically, emotionally etc. Also all children are equal, but their roles and capabilities are NOT equal.

People can never be equal. Take for example a group of students in a class. No matter what, those students will have different strengths in different areas. No matter what, not all of them will score 1st class honours (I'm yet to see that happen).

So I wonder when I see people say you must give all these students (plus the E ones) similar job in a corporation.

How? No way. Some must end up being the cleaners, some CEOs, some middle management, some will dig trenches to lay fiber, some will milk the cows, some will be house girls etc. That way, you have somebody in each of the roles required for a balance society.

unless they are in Zetech and those other guys who live in futuresmile smile smile
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