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Separation of church and state God found it proper to grant man free will, else Adam & Eve would have no choice as to whether to eat the fruit or not. When the Israelites said to Samuel, "give us a king to lead us", God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Even Jesus said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's". Almighty God granted man free will. Man in his 'natural state' has a right to his own person, that nobody has a right to but himself. And in the 17th century 'age of enlightenment', the modern world awoke to this truth. Hence Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Baptists wrote in 1802: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions..." Before this it was utter mayhem, with all religions using faith to advance secular ulterior motives. From Nicene Christianity of the Roman Empire, the Pope of the Middle Ages, the Church of England etc. That is why terms such as treason, sedition, violence, execution, law etc. naturally arise. As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it. masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:If you would sentence a man to death for serial murder in your state then it should be ok for a Sharia state to execute a sodomite caught in the act because they are viewed equal in the eyes of God in Islam! Perhaps the question should be - do we execute people on God's behalf or do we execute people on society's behalf? When you wrong society to an extreme level - they kill you. If you wrong God to an extreme level - He should kill you!! he has lots of stuff at his disposal...why would you assist him?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/24/2010 Posts: 846 Location: KENYA
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guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:Islam is a cult, end of story. If you read between the lines, you'll see that what guru is basically saying is we know the Prophet did many wrong things, but he was told to do so by God, so even though Islam was founded by an immoral man, we don't care because our numbers are growing. That's text book example of a cult, even if you see evidence that its wrong, you still embrace it because numbers are growing. That's the most invalid argument one can have, homosexual relationships are also growing, does that make it right? Like my mum always used to tell me, never follow the crowd. In the US I know for a fact that Muslims recruits African Americans mainly from prison, they target the dejected who are at their most vulnerable state, and sell them the image of brotherhood and a pious Mohammed, when the reality is this is a cage in which once you get in, there's no getting out, and they justify it with apostasy. Mohammed used to have conversations with Satan in the desert, some creepy stuff, and I'm supposed to bow down facing some big black box ( isn't that idol worship?) to this man? No thanks! @Nabwire why are you concerned if I want to follow an "immoral man"?? Or did someone ask you to become Muslim?? Why are you scared of the growth of our "cult"?? Because cults lead to death and suffering and are inherently satanic.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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muganda wrote:Separation of church and state God found it proper to grant man free will, else Adam & Eve would have no choice as to whether to eat the fruit or not. When the Israelites said to Samuel, "give us a king to lead us", God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Even Jesus said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's". Almighty God granted man free will. Man in his 'natural state' has a right to his own person, that nobody has a right to but himself. And in the 17th century 'age of enlightenment', the modern world awoke to this truth. Hence Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Baptists wrote in 1802: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions..." Before this it was utter mayhem, with all religions using faith to advance secular ulterior motives. From Nicene Christianity of the Roman Empire, the Pope of the Middle Ages, the Church of England etc. That is why terms such as treason, sedition, violence, execution, law etc. naturally arise. As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it. masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:If you would sentence a man to death for serial murder in your state then it should be ok for a Sharia state to execute a sodomite caught in the act because they are viewed equal in the eyes of God in Islam! Perhaps the question should be - do we execute people on God's behalf or do we execute people on society's behalf? When you wrong society to an extreme level - they kill you. If you wrong God to an extreme level - He should kill you!! he has lots of stuff at his disposal...why would you assist him? In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims. Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/24/2010 Posts: 846 Location: KENYA
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guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:This is the problem with you guru, you personalize everything. Just because I speak out about Islam, does not mean that I want it destroyed, I just believe in people knowing the truth. I spoke out to expose the truth, what people do with that truth, I really don't care. You were on a roll patting yourself on the back, and I stopped the party, had I spoken out in your defense, would you still have asked me those questions? I know your strategy, so I don't play into it, so you turn it into' why are you scared about the growth of our cult' To be honest I really don't care, as long as you guys bow down in peace, I have no problem. But when it directly affects my well being, I will speak out. You have twisted the truth on so many different issues, had you spoken on facts, I wouldn't need to call you out. I actually like some aspects of Islam, like the AA prisoners who change their course of life and become responsible, that's very admirable. The problem is once the honeymoon stage is over, they are manipulated to think of non Muslims as the enemy and to become fanatics, which is the stage I suspect you are in. This attitude of I will do anything to defend my prophet, forget that, if Jesus impregnated a 9 yr old I would be like WTF, wacha ikae! So go ahead and follow your prophet, just don't use deceit to recruit the next bunch of followers and expect me to stay silent, especially if these new recruits will put my life in danger. So much emotion and passion for someone who doesn't care?? Was it Muslims or Islam that infringed on your peace?? So how does it make you feel that Jesus was born from an impregnated 12 year old girl?? You are a dangerous fanatic, a danger to yourself and society. You should be arrested.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:muganda wrote:Separation of church and state God found it proper to grant man free will, else Adam & Eve would have no choice as to whether to eat the fruit or not. When the Israelites said to Samuel, "give us a king to lead us", God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Even Jesus said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's". Almighty God granted man free will. Man in his 'natural state' has a right to his own person, that nobody has a right to but himself. And in the 17th century 'age of enlightenment', the modern world awoke to this truth. Hence Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Baptists wrote in 1802: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions..." Before this it was utter mayhem, with all religions using faith to advance secular ulterior motives. From Nicene Christianity of the Roman Empire, the Pope of the Middle Ages, the Church of England etc. That is why terms such as treason, sedition, violence, execution, law etc. naturally arise. As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it. masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:If you would sentence a man to death for serial murder in your state then it should be ok for a Sharia state to execute a sodomite caught in the act because they are viewed equal in the eyes of God in Islam! Perhaps the question should be - do we execute people on God's behalf or do we execute people on society's behalf? When you wrong society to an extreme level - they kill you. If you wrong God to an extreme level - He should kill you!! he has lots of stuff at his disposal...why would you assist him? In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims. Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities. Those who know better do! Most muslims who after living in a secular society feel shackled by Sharia if they go to a culture that dictates it. Ignorance is bliss for those who have lived under Sharia all their lives case in point Saudia and Sudan. Even Somalis cannot live in a sharia state ni mdomo tu wanachapa!! wamezoea vya kunyonga vya kuchinja hawawezi. Kwanza if you implemented Sharia at the coast of Kenya - the first people to zusha will be the people who nick named Pork - mbuzi ulaya! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:muganda wrote:Separation of church and state God found it proper to grant man free will, else Adam & Eve would have no choice as to whether to eat the fruit or not. When the Israelites said to Samuel, "give us a king to lead us", God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Even Jesus said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's". Almighty God granted man free will. Man in his 'natural state' has a right to his own person, that nobody has a right to but himself. And in the 17th century 'age of enlightenment', the modern world awoke to this truth. Hence Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Baptists wrote in 1802: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions..." Before this it was utter mayhem, with all religions using faith to advance secular ulterior motives. From Nicene Christianity of the Roman Empire, the Pope of the Middle Ages, the Church of England etc. That is why terms such as treason, sedition, violence, execution, law etc. naturally arise. As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it. masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:If you would sentence a man to death for serial murder in your state then it should be ok for a Sharia state to execute a sodomite caught in the act because they are viewed equal in the eyes of God in Islam! Perhaps the question should be - do we execute people on God's behalf or do we execute people on society's behalf? When you wrong society to an extreme level - they kill you. If you wrong God to an extreme level - He should kill you!! he has lots of stuff at his disposal...why would you assist him? In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims. Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities. Those who know better do! Most muslims who after living in a secular society feel shackled by Sharia if they go to a culture that dictates it. Ignorance is bliss for those who have lived under Sharia all their lives case in point Saudia and Sudan. Even Somalis cannot live in a sharia state ni mdomo tu wanachapa!! wamezoea vya kunyonga vya kuchinja hawawezi. Kwanza if you implemented Sharia at the coast of Kenya - the first people to zusha will be the people who nick named Pork - mbuzi ulaya! Yes. They will band together to 'defend' the prophet verbally with much agitation but if challenged to put into practise the prophet's teachings and examples they will melt away like smoke in the wind. Pseudo-muslims!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:muganda wrote:As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it. In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims. Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities. Those who know better do! Most muslims who after living in a secular society feel shackled by Sharia if they go to a culture that dictates it. Ignorance is bliss for those who have lived under Sharia all their lives case in point Saudia and Sudan. Even Somalis cannot live in a sharia state ni mdomo tu wanachapa!! wamezoea vya kunyonga vya kuchinja hawawezi. Kwanza if you implemented Sharia at the coast of Kenya - the first people to zusha will be the people who nick named Pork - mbuzi ulaya! It is easy to place burdens on others, that religious leaders need not carry themselves. Case in point this statement made in a radio show to the masses: Saudi cleric says chatting online is haram http://english.alarabiya.net/en...ng-online-is-haram-.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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muganda wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:muganda wrote:As certain as time, Islamic states that hide behind faith to limit free will or protect their borders, will end. Already over 65% of Muslims live in states with the doctrine of separation, and some branches of Islam recognize it. In Egypt, just the other day, the muslim brotherhood was overthrown from power by fellow Islam practitioners and hundreds of them have been sentensed to death by fellow muslims. Not all muslims are in favor of sharia states and even islamic brotherhoods and fraternities. Those who know better do! Most muslims who after living in a secular society feel shackled by Sharia if they go to a culture that dictates it. Ignorance is bliss for those who have lived under Sharia all their lives case in point Saudia and Sudan. Even Somalis cannot live in a sharia state ni mdomo tu wanachapa!! wamezoea vya kunyonga vya kuchinja hawawezi. Kwanza if you implemented Sharia at the coast of Kenya - the first people to zusha will be the people who nick named Pork - mbuzi ulaya! It is easy to place burdens on others, that religious leaders need not carry themselves. Case in point this statement made in a radio show to the masses: Saudi cleric says chatting online is haram http://english.alarabiya.net/en...ng-online-is-haram-.html Boss... wacha chatting going to the mars is haram.. Women like Akina @Guru here are unislamic the best she can be is makrooh (disliked) akiendelea kutukana watu and exercising her she will be haram!! only by being totally subservient can she reach the status of being makroohAll Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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muganda wrote:Oh my, down which rabbit hole are @Lolest! and the canny @maskumua disappearing to... The rabbit hole is a great equalizer.Unknown unknowns
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@Lolest Hats off for the insights while withstanding all the insults calculated to cow you. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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