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guru267
#101 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:55:04 PM
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kollabo wrote:
I find it strange, and perhaps @guru could explain this. Having read the Qur'an I find that the Islamic deity is distant and lacks a relational connection with his people.


What is this relational connection?>?

Despite the relational connection you are talking about Christians do not seem to relate with their deity otherwise there wouldn't be so much apathy towards him and conversion to Atheism Sad

Your model of "relational connection" fits the Wests Idea of parenthood!

I find that in reality a child needs a stern and strict father who does not contradict himself in order to instill discipline! Those relational connections can come later!

African style father and you stick on the straight path!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#102 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:00:53 PM
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Richie rich wrote:
@guru267 david was not a prophet he was a king


Another ignorant joins the party..

If David was not a prophet who wrote the prophecies in the Psalms?? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Piling ignorance just to slander Shame on you

David was a King and prophet, Muhammad was a King and prophet...

I still want to know why Muhammad is satanic if he is Identical to David!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Bykhovets
#103 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:04:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:
kyt wrote:
guru 3 years is a long time....loooong time my friend. dont joke with 3 years.


@Kyt I feel sorry for you...

You slander the marriage of a 9 year old girl but praise the impregnating of a 12 year old girl??

That's why you make it easy for me... No intellect involved on your part! Sad Shame on you

It seems God sees womanhood at puberty and who am I to argue?

Its you and your UN and your constitution that call them girls...

Mary (As) is the beloved mother of Jesus (As) and Aisha (RA) was the beloved wife of the Muhammad (saw)

Continue with your Satan driven Pedophilia fantasies!


Mary and Joseph had never slept together. That is why she is called the Virgin Mary. A child (baby Jesus) was placed in her womb by the Holy Spirit.
"Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
guru267
#104 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:04:45 PM
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masukuma wrote:

just curious... (As), (RA) ni nini? I know (SAW) but not these other phrases.


(AS)= May God Almighty grant him/her peace and honour
(RA)= May God Almighty be pleased with him/her
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#105 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:13:00 PM
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Bykhovets wrote:
Mary and Joseph had never slept together. That is why she is called the Virgin Mary. A child (baby Jesus) was placed in her womb by the Holy Spirit.


Whether impregnated by Joseph or by the Holy Spirit will never change the fact that your savior, the Messiah came out of a 12 year old's v***na (God forgive me)

Were there no 18 year old girls at the time to push out the Messiah into the world?? Why a 12 year old??? Is your God also a pedophile??

You force me to slander Mary to prove my point Shame on you

You either accept the culture of the time or continue pumping your own foot with bullets with ignorance..

Intellect over ignorance any day any time!!! Laughing out loudly Applause
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Lolest!
#106 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:17:39 PM
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who deleted my post in reply to alphdoti?? Has a fatwa been declared against me?
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Richie rich
#107 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:21:29 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Richie rich wrote:
@guru267 david was not a prophet he was a king


Another ignorant joins the party..

If David was not a prophet who wrote the prophecies in the Psalms?? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Piling ignorance just to slander Shame on you

David was a King and prophet, Muhammad was a King and prophet...

I still want to know why Muhammad is satanic if he is Identical to David!
serious

You are the one who is ignorant by saying psalms are prophetic words. Let me enlightend you coz they are wha It is called religious poems of many kinds
hymns of praise and worship,prayers for help, protection and salvation,pleas for forgiveness, songs of thanks giving and petitions for punishment of enemies. Got itsmile
The God of the day is still God in the night.
Lolest!
#108 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:25:40 PM
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Let me try recreate for kaka doti. I never said Muhammad was wrong in marrying that child. It was there in cultures those sides and among some cultures here in ke. Shida ni Zaynab. There was incest involved as she was the wife f Muhammad's son Zayd. Jesus' enhancement of the law in Matthew 5 would most def mean Moha was also an adulterer for marrying a divorcee and before that lusting after her!!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
masukuma
#109 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:27:35 PM
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The fact of the matter is that the 'teenage' years are modern invention. it's hardly 100 years old and did not appear before the 1920s. Before that girls used to get married as soon as they hit puberty.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
masukuma
#110 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:29:33 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
who deleted my post in reply to alphdoti?? Has a fatwa been declared against me?

matimoni.... matimoni....matimoni.... shindwe pepo ya wazua...TOKA!! Riswa!! matimoni!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Lolest!
#111 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:33:56 PM
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So in summary, Muhammad saw, lusted, and commited adultery with Zaynab. That's not where the beef stops. He went on to include in his 'divine revelations' that adoption isn't allowed in Islam. This self-serving revelation was just for purposes of exonerating Muhammad from the obvious incest he was engaging in. Funny the revelation came AFTER he had married Zaynab and the Arabs were wondering how a man who claimed to be a prophet could do so.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Bykhovets
#112 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:34:01 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Bykhovets wrote:
Mary and Joseph had never slept together. That is why she is called the Virgin Mary. A child (baby Jesus) was placed in her womb by the Holy Spirit.


Whether impregnated by Joseph or by the Holy Spirit will never change the fact that your savior, the Messiah came out of a 12 year old's v***na (God forgive me)

Were there no 18 year old girls at the time to push out the Messiah into the world?? Why a 12 year old??? Is your God also a pedophile??

You force me to slander Mary to prove my point Shame on you

You either accept the culture of the time or continue pumping your own foot with bullets with ignorance..

Intellect over ignorance any day any time!!! Laughing out loudly Applause


How and why Mary was chosen, I do not know. I am not God.

You have a Narcissistic personality disorder. You are the kind that sees your own reflection in a pool of water and you fall in love with it. You really need help.

Sad
"Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
Lolest!
#113 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:37:50 PM
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...and Zayd ibn Muhammad changed back to Zayd ibn Somebody else... Yet Muhammad had adopted him in public! At the Kaaba! And declared him his son with a right to inheritance! Fungua macho @267!!
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guru267
#114 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:41:02 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Let me try recreate for kaka doti. I never said Muhammad was wrong in marrying that child. It was there in cultures those sides and among some cultures here in ke. Shida ni Zaynab. There was incest involved as she was the wife f Muhammad's son Zayd. Jesus' enhancement of the law in Matthew 5 would most def mean Moha was also an adulterer for marrying a divorcee and before that lusting after her!!


@Lolest! As you continue to list Muhammad's "sins" are you prepared to anwer My question about "Satans" Muhammad verses the beloved David??

or Did God forget to give you balls?? Laughing out loudly

Show me that you are a man because I'm stepping over "manhood" quashing all your bullshit theories!



Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#115 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:44:04 PM
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Bykhovets wrote:


How and why Mary was chosen, I do not know. I am not God.



Ok cool so if God chose a 12 year old girl to squeeze out your Messiah into the world please let our prophet marry a 9 year old girl in peace..

Please!.. Thank you! Applause
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#116 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:46:17 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
...and Zayd ibn Muhammad changed back to Zayd ibn Somebody else... Yet Muhammad had adopted him in public! At the Kaaba! And declared him his son with a right to inheritance! Fungua macho @267!!


Are you ever going to grow some balls and answer my question that you are clearly ignoring?? Pray
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Lolest!
#117 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:50:49 PM
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Now for David. I agree with @267. While he wasn't receiving as many revelations, he sure had the gift of prophecy just like his predecessor Saul at some point had. His prophecies are referenced in the NT innumerable times. David sinned. A lot. But he prostrated himself before God in repentance. Infact, Ps 51 is one of the most useful parts of scripture for a repentant heart! He humbled himself before God. Not so for Muhammad! His revelations were mostly self serving as I've illustrated. He would sin and cover up his sins with a 'revelation'.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
guru267
#118 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:56:03 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Now for David. I agree with @267. While he wasn't receiving as many revelations, he sure had the gift of prophecy just like his predecessor Saul at some point had. His prophecies are referenced in the NT innumerable times. David sinned. A lot. But he prostrated himself before God in repentance. Infact, Ps 51 is one of the most useful parts of scripture for a repentant heart! He humbled himself before God. Not so for Muhammad! His revelations were mostly self serving as I've illustrated. He would sin and cover up his sins with a 'revelation'.


Applause
My last two questions

So where is your reference that Muhammad never repented like David??

And let me humor you. Lets say Muhammad did adopt Zayd.... Where does God talk about adopted children and incest??

Please answer!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Lolest!
#119 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:58:47 PM
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Now David is a good example of how gracious our God is. He was a sinner, big time. But deep within, he sought the Lord earnestly. He turned back to God and God forgave him. If David was in today's society, I doubt we'd ever forgive him. We'd call him hypocrite(he was a worship leader engaging in all those sins!). We'd refuse to even sing his psalms! Yet God saw the heart, the thrust of Matthew chapter 5 , and approved David saying he was a man after God's own heart!
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Bykhovets
#120 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:07:00 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Bykhovets wrote:


How and why Mary was chosen, I do not know. I am not God.



Ok cool so if God chose a 12 year old girl to squeeze out your Messiah into the world please let our prophet marry a 9 year old girl in peace..

Please!.. Thank you! Applause


There is an enormous difference in the reproductive anatomy of a 9 year old and a 12 year old. That's a scientific fact.

A clever God wielded his powers to place a baby into a 12 year old's womb, while a prophet stuck his organ into a 9 year old to sow the seeds of his loins.

The delicate nature of women is dehumanized in Islam to this day, physically and otherwise. Women are of lesser value. Is it true that a woman's testimony is worth half a man's?
"Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
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