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Lolest!
#91 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:57:17 PM
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Welcome back guru. Muhammad was a man, just like Opiyo and Kimondiu. Only that he was a successful war general. He was not a prophet. But yes, prophets can sin. BUT they must not claim revelations after that to justify themselves. Then force those imaginations on people as God's word. I'm glad you implied Muhammad sinned. One of your brothers told me he never did!
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#92 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:08:57 PM
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another observation made was that sickle cell anemia was a disease of the black nywele ngumu people. this was based on cases of people diagnosed. genetics have proven that it's actually the allele that causes sickle cell anemia is an adaptation by RBCs to fighting malaria and is not found in african populations in south africa but due to the trade route it's found as far as yemen and india. This newer information cancels out older information.
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#93 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:17:59 PM
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Some professional enemies of Islam use marriage life of the prophet as animosity towards Islam. These non-believers has chosen this as their role in life, to attack the person of prophet. And I have read these accusations by kina @kyt, @lonest, @muganda, and other people here in @Wazua.

My response will be that their problem is not really the prophet married Aisha. Their problem is that they don't believe he is the messenger of Allah. They don't believe that he was receiving revelation. So their problem runs deeper.

The issue of bringing up Aisha is just a front, in order to attack Islam. Even if the prophet didn't do it, they would still be attacking. If we tell you this was divinely instructed, you will still say how convenient it is whenever something that seems strange, you say that God commanded.

Then I say we need to discuss the issue of whether the prophet was the prophet of Allah or not. And that would settle the argument. If he is the prophet of Allah, then we have no right to question what Allah told him to do. If we establish that he was a messenger of Allah receiving revelation from Allah, then whatever Allah tells him to do we should accept it. Because Allah owes nothing to us and we owe everything to Him.

So the enemies of Islam are attacking the marriage to Aisha, even if it didn't happen they would still be attacking Islam, because they don't believe in it. They don't believe that the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was a messenger of Allah. They don't believe he was receiving revelations from Allah.

So it is pointless to argue regarding Aisha (ra) because they have a major problem and that they don't accept him altogether.

This reminds me of the time when the Quraish were attacking the prophet, and Allah said in the Quran:
"They are not disbelieving you, they disbelieveing the message of Allah."

It means they were not attacking him, but they were attacking the message. They were not attacking his personality just because of his personality, they were attacking him because he was conveying the message of Allah to them.
kyt
#94 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:59:09 PM
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guru267 wrote:
kyt wrote:
I am not a muslim or a christian but in my own view; again I could be wrong; marrying a 9 yr old is somehow twisted. 9 years is young kinda young.


So God putting the saviour of the world in the Womb of a 12 year old girl is is the example we should all follow instead!

I mean she was a whole 3 years older, I mean she was a whole double digit age of 12, A 12 year old "woman" was definitely mature enough... Wow! Applause

guru 3 years is a long time....loooong time my friend. dont joke witb 3 years.
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muganda
#95 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:08:32 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Some professional enemies of Islam use marriage life of the prophet as animosity towards Islam. These non-believers has chosen this as their role in life, to attack the person of prophet. And I have read these accusations by kina @kyt, @lonest, @muganda, and other people here in @Wazua.


Welcome back @Alphdoti, @guru267 seemed to be fighting a lone battle smile

About Muhammad and his being a prophet of Allah... not sure you can find even a single post where I've discussed that issue.

Because Jews doubt Jesus, Christians disbelief Muhammad's mission, Muslims are sure Christians got lost somewhere, Agnostics disbelieve them all, etc. Does it make them bad, I cannot judge. God is Infinite, and his ways greater than the way his creation perceives him. Have you pondered how chance plays into what faith you profess?

Now a man's words, his actions, the fruit of his beliefs, those speak to me.

kyt
#96 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:11:20 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Some professional enemies of Islam use marriage life of the prophet as animosity towards Islam. These non-believers has chosen this as their role in life, to attack the person of prophet. And I have read these accusations by kina @kyt, @lonest, @muganda, and other people here in @Wazua.


wapi mimi nime attack prophet mohammed(pbuh) @alpha. toa moja.
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guru267
#97 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:12:25 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Muhammad was a man, just like Opiyo and Kimondiu. Only that he was a successful war general. He was not a prophet. But yes, prophets can sin.


@Lolest! I am not going to spend more time trying to convince you adoption is not allowed in Islam and a foster child will never ever ever have parents until they are formally adopted. Wallow in ignorance if you must!

Moving on...

David was also a man, just like Opiyo and Kimondiu. Only he was a successful war general. BUT.... WAIT FOR IT... according to the both of us David is one of God's most beloved prophets! And oh did David sin?? YEEEESSS!!!

Maybe you can show me a few significant differences between the man David and the man Muhammad??

So explain to me why my beloved Muhammad (saw) is from Satan?? Shame on you Shame on you

And don't try and escape the questions or risk exposing yourself here!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#98 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:25:28 PM
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kyt wrote:
guru 3 years is a long time....loooong time my friend. dont joke with 3 years.


@Kyt I feel sorry for you...

You slander the marriage of a 9 year old girl but praise the impregnating of a 12 year old girl??

That's why you make it easy for me... No intellect involved on your part! Sad Shame on you

It seems God sees womanhood at puberty and who am I to argue?

Its you and your UN and your constitution that call them girls...

Mary (As) is the beloved mother of Jesus (As) and Aisha (RA) was the beloved wife of the Muhammad (saw)

Continue with your Satan driven Pedophilia fantasies!


Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
masukuma
#99 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:29:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:
kyt wrote:
guru 3 years is a long time....loooong time my friend. dont joke with 3 years.


@Kyt I feel sorry for you...

You slander the marriage of a 9 year old girl but praise the impregnating of a 12 year old girl??

That's why you make it easy for me... No intellect involved on your part! Sad Shame on you

It seems God sees womanhood at puberty and who am I to argue?

Its you and your UN and your constitution that call them girls...

Mary (As) is the beloved mother of Jesus (As) and Aisha (RA) was the beloved wife of the Muhammad (saw)

Continue with your Satan driven Pedophilia fantasies!



just curious... (As), (RA) ni nini? I know (SAW) but not these other phrases.
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Richie rich
#100 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:34:53 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Muhammad was a man, just like Opiyo and Kimondiu. Only that he was a successful war general. He was not a prophet. But yes, prophets can sin.


@Lolest! I am not going to spend more time trying to convince you adoption is not allowed in Islam and a foster child will never ever ever have parents until they are formally adopted. Wallow in ignorance if you must!

Moving on...

David was also a man, just like Opiyo and Kimondiu. Only he was a successful war general. BUT.... WAIT FOR IT... according to the both of us David is one of God's most beloved prophets! And oh did David sin?? YEEEESSS!!!

Maybe you can show me a few significant differences between the man David and the man Muhammad??

So explain to me why my beloved Muhammad (saw) is from Satan?? Shame on you Shame on you

And don't try and escape the questions or risk exosing yourself here!

@guru267 david was not a prophet he was a king
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