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guru267
#31 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:16:55 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
And no, my ancestors didn't marry off girls at 12. They did so at 16.


Can you prove it or you just want the last word??

Because I know many Christians who will simply refuse to believe Mary was 12 years old when she conceived Jesus!


Lolest! wrote:
The issue for me was marriage to Zaynab, his son's wife. Even the pagans knew it was wrong. But after Muhammad saw Zaynab's ndetheness, he lusted after her and married her.

The taboo against marrying your son's wife was circumvented by claiming that adopted son isn't really a son!


Why do you want to display ignorance over and over again??

In Islam adoption is absolutely prohibited!

Only foster care is allowed.. I hope you know the difference!

The day you can prove to me that marrying your foster son's wife is taboo I will be the first to leave Islam... Sawa??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#32 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:26:29 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
1. Fortunately, Kenya as stated in it's constitution - read it Mrs - is a SECULAR state. Church and religion are separate by law. This means if today Kenya legislates is is OK with LGBT rights, your religious views are personal and should not infringe on any other citizens rights.


And that's why I said Kenyans can be free to violate each other's asses if they want..

But if other countries don't want such things who gives you the right to tell them that they must accpept??

ecstacy wrote:
2. Where does the Koran prohibit anal sex? Is it followed? On that note, is oral sex banned too? Why would God be sooo worried about how a MARRIED couple copulates? That is surprising given the health reported anal sex prevalence in cultures where Islam is dominant. However, I'd prefer focus on the former Koranic reference.


Islamic Jurisprudence refuses anal sex mainly because it mimics Homosexuality and contributes to a drastic rise in the demand for pampers!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Jus Blazin
#33 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:41:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:

ecstacy wrote:
2. Where does the Koran prohibit anal sex? Is it followed? On that note, is oral sex banned too? Why would God be sooo worried about how a MARRIED couple copulates? That is surprising given the health reported anal sex prevalence in cultures where Islam is dominant. However, I'd prefer focus on the former Koranic reference.


Islamic Jurisprudence refuses anal sex mainly because it mimics Homosexuality and contributes to a drastic rise in the demand for pampers!

Ah, no verses... so there's the law and there's jurisprudence.
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
guru267
#34 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:44:58 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
guru267 wrote:

ecstacy wrote:
2. Where does the Koran prohibit anal sex? Is it followed? On that note, is oral sex banned too? Why would God be sooo worried about how a MARRIED couple copulates? That is surprising given the health reported anal sex prevalence in cultures where Islam is dominant. However, I'd prefer focus on the former Koranic reference.


Islamic Jurisprudence refuses anal sex mainly because it mimics Homosexuality and contributes to a drastic rise in the demand for pampers!

Ah, no verses... so there's the law and there's jurisprudence.


Qur'an says married couples should stay away from Illicit sex and jurisprudence concluded illicit sex as public sex, anal sex and any other sex that infringes on other laws!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Jus Blazin
#35 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:23:11 PM
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guru267 wrote:

It is a very simple request! Vacate ALL Muslim lands and see a very peaceful world.. Ama??

Which are these Muslim lands? I thought you just said Islam knows no nationality or race? Or did you mean vacate Arabian territories?
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
guru267
#36 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:50:52 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
guru267 wrote:

It is a very simple request! Vacate ALL Muslim lands and see a very peaceful world.. Ama??

Which are these Muslim lands? I thought you just said Islam knows no nationality or race? Or did you mean vacate Arabian territories?


A Muslim land is any land that has a majority of Muslims who desire Sharia as their law!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#37 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:53:10 PM
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I am going a little off topic here but weren't these hostages claiming they saw light for the first time when they were rescued??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fucWsSZroY
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
AlphDoti
#38 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:54:49 PM
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If a couple get married in US at age 16, it's legal. But in Kenya it's illegal. So why has Kenya chosen 18 and US 16, you don't know. And there is state called Texas, where it's common to marry early. So in Texas alone, even if the girl or boy is age 14, they can marry and it's legal.
AlphDoti
#39 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:00:04 PM
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@Magigi, I had this talk with you last year and the year before in 2012. I can see we go round and round about it once a year!

@lonest and @ecstacy and all those who care to know. Here:

1. First of all, do not hate and rely on propaganda.

2. Secondly, it is not 6 but it's 9.

3. Now for those who learnt Biology or have read medical science, nowadays a lady reaches maturity i.e. adulthood at age of approx 12-15. But we have seen even 9 year old giving birth even last year.
And the age factor of puperty changes depending upon the athmosphere, surroundng, climate, or diet.

4. Scientist say that closer to the equator, the age of puberty is earlier. And nowadays because of change in athmospehere, surrounding or diet, there are cases in which girls at the age of 10 they reach puberty.

5. Also medical science tell us that if any lady starts mensuration cycle at the age of 10, there is nothing wrong, and nothing unique. It is quite common. Even 9, there is nothing to be alarmed of. However, they say if the mensuration is below the age of 9, then there is a concern.

So based on these scientific facts that we have come to learn in the 20th century, according to Islamic Sharia, when a lady reaches puberty and a man reaches puberty, they can marry.

6. Every country has its own law
For example some countries say that when a girl reaches the age of 18, they can marry (Kenya, India). Some say age of 16 (US). Some say age 14 (Texas)

7. So you realize that everyone has his own criteria. As far as Islmaic criteria is concerned, as I told you, that once a girl reaches puberty and a boy reaches puberty, then they get mature, then they can marry.

So based on this, what we realize about Aisha, she was unique. And when we read her life history, she was very intelligent, she was very matured, and because of that we know that many Hadiths were narrated by her.

There are some people, who say, "but fine, she could have waited another 10 years then get married!" Some of those modern people.

So I feel medically, scientifically, and Islamically a marriage can be consumated at the age 9 once a lady is mature.

#TheRealReasonIsYouDontBelieveMuhammadWasProphet
kyt
#40 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:02:33 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
And no, my ancestors didn't marry off girls at 12. They did so at 16.


Can you prove it or you just want the last word??

Because I know many Christians who will simply refuse to believe Mary was 12 years old when she conceived Jesus!


Lolest! wrote:
The issue for me was marriage to Zaynab, his son's wife. Even the pagans knew it was wrong. But after Muhammad saw Zaynab's ndetheness, he lusted after her and married her.

The taboo against marrying your son's wife was circumvented by claiming that adopted son isn't really a son!


Why do you want to display ignorance over and over again??

In Islam adoption is absolutely prohibited!

Only foster care is allowed.. I hope you know the difference!

The day you can prove to me that marrying your foster son's wife is taboo I will be the first to leave Islam... Sawa??

what is wrong with guru a son is a son; wether akuwr foster; adopted; kidnapped; born ama whatever. A SON IS A SON PERIOD!! wacha za ovyo guru.
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