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kyt
#61 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 6:25:50 PM
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guru there are Christians who dont believe in trinity, and don't worship through mary.
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guru267
#62 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 6:28:19 PM
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kyt wrote:
guru there are Christians who dont believe in trinity, and don't worship through mary.


Like which ones??

Christians who say Jesus is not God?? Educate me!!



Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Jus Blazin
#63 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 6:29:19 PM
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I eat pork, kwanza ile mbuzi ulaya, bacon,sausages, et al.
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AlphDoti
#64 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 7:33:50 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
I eat pork, kwanza ile mbuzi ulaya, bacon,sausages, et al.

(i). That means you are not true Christians. Because true Christians don't eat pork.
Acts 10:15 is often used to justify violating the food law, but clearly it deceives Christians. Simple as this, to eat pork violates the the Law. Sin is a transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4).

(ii). Didn't Jeus (pbuh) say in the Bible.
Matthew 5:17-18: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets..."

(iii). Isaiah 65:2-5 God talks about people who became rebellious, who walk in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts.

(iv). Leviticus 11-1-8: Vyakula Najisi na Visivyo Najisi "...Naye nguruwe ingawa anazo kwato zilizogawanyika sehemu mbili, lakini hacheui, ni najisi kwenu. Kamwe msile nyama yao wala kugusa mizoga yao, wao ni najisi kwenu."

(v). Isn't pork forbidden in the Old Testament which forms part of your Holy Book?
Deuteronomy 14:3-8 "Do not eat any detestable thing... The pig is also unclean; ...you are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."
masukuma
#65 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 7:41:45 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
guru267 wrote:


@Lolest! As long as you call yourself a Christian you are of Catholic teaching!

It was the same same Catholics who approved the verses you are quoting!

Why is it only the risen Jesus who accepts to be worshiped?? I thought it was only unclean spirits that used to worship Jesus when he was alive??

How come they forgot to remove some parts which are offending to their faith?

Acts 1
Quote:
Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[c] from the city. 13 When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.


Mary was there worshiping WITH them, they didn't pray and worship THROUGH her! That shoots down Mary's worship! Why didn't they remove that?



That's what happens when the hand of man gets into God's Word!

You can only end up with inconsistencies and contradictions! Sad

But the fact will always remain the first Christians and compilers of the Bible were Catholics and all you believe has its origins from them!

So as a protestant why protest some things and accept others!?? and what criteria is used to accept or protest??


We are very much at peace with these ones! We eat pork! we eat blood sausages! We don't follow all the 613 mitzvot we pick and choose wha we want - what simply agrees to the following
1) You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
2) You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Everything else is frivolous!! the scriptures are not for quoting they are for learning!! the sooner you understand that the better. you cannot live the same way a person who lived 3000 years ago lived. I actually put it to you - if Moha was here today and he saw all our advancements he would embrace them instead of looking at everything using 3000 year old ngongoz.
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guru267
#66 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 7:55:29 PM
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masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
guru267 wrote:


@Lolest! As long as you call yourself a Christian you are of Catholic teaching!

It was the same same Catholics who approved the verses you are quoting!

Why is it only the risen Jesus who accepts to be worshiped?? I thought it was only unclean spirits that used to worship Jesus when he was alive??

How come they forgot to remove some parts which are offending to their faith?

Acts 1
Quote:
Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[c] from the city. 13 When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.


Mary was there worshiping WITH them, they didn't pray and worship THROUGH her! That shoots down Mary's worship! Why didn't they remove that?



That's what happens when the hand of man gets into God's Word!

You can only end up with inconsistencies and contradictions! Sad

But the fact will always remain the first Christians and compilers of the Bible were Catholics and all you believe has its origins from them!

So as a protestant why protest some things and accept others!?? and what criteria is used to accept or protest??


We are very much at peace with these ones! We eat pork! we eat blood sausages! We don't follow all the 613 mitzvot we pick and choose wha we want - what simply agrees to the following
1) You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
2) You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Everything else is frivolous!! the scriptures are not for quoting they are for learning!! the sooner you understand that the better. you cannot live the same way a person who lived 3000 years ago lived. I actually put it to you - if Moha was here today and he saw all our advancements he would embrace them instead of looking at everything using 3000 year old ngongoz.


Its alright man yoy follow who you follow and I'll follow who I follow..

If Moses never ate Swine, I aint eating no Swine...
If Jesus never ate Swine, I aint eating no Swine...
If Muhammad never ate Swine, I definitely aint eating no Swine
If God Commanded us not to eat swine, I definitely will not eat Swine.

Simple!

But I bet "Saint" Paul loved himself some Greek Swine that he could not resist!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#67 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:02:18 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
I eat pork, kwanza ile mbuzi ulaya, bacon,sausages, et al.


Eat what you want just don't claim to be following God's Law because that doesn't even make sense in any way unless you start quoting the luciferian Paul!

Isaiah who told you about the coming of Christ also speaks about the lovers of swine flesh and what will happen to them! smile

James, Jesus and Peter warned you about the ones who would lead you astray and change the teachings!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
dunkang
#68 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:08:22 PM
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Lolest!
#69 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:21:08 PM
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Nimerudi. Let's all note that @266 said we MUST believe in the teachings of Mo' to make it to heaven. Right guru?
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Lolest!
#70 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:30:49 PM
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From ole Ndiritu to Mary to swines! No wazuan can beat Islamic preachers in terrorizing threads. The problem of converting from a faith you weren't really part of is that you get to the other side you jus want to justify your defection!
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Jus Blazin
#71 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:32:33 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
I eat pork, kwanza ile mbuzi ulaya, bacon,sausages, et al.

(i). That means you are not true Christians. Because true Christians don't eat pork.
Acts 10:15 is often used to justify violating the food law, but clearly it deceives Christians. Simple as this, to eat pork violates the the Law. Sin is a transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4).

(ii). Didn't Jeus (pbuh) say in the Bible.
Matthew 5:17-18: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets..."

(iii). Isaiah 65:2-5 God talks about people who became rebellious, who walk in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts.

(iv). Leviticus 11-1-8: Vyakula Najisi na Visivyo Najisi "...Naye nguruwe ingawa anazo kwato zilizogawanyika sehemu mbili, lakini hacheui, ni najisi kwenu. Kamwe msile nyama yao wala kugusa mizoga yao, wao ni najisi kwenu."

(v). Isn't pork forbidden in the Old Testament which forms part of your Holy Book?
Deuteronomy 14:3-8 "Do not eat any detestable thing... The pig is also unclean; ...you are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."

In another thread, you say its not for you to judge... oh well, I rest my case. I never see the need for these us vs them arguments. After all, they are all Abrahamic religions. Same roots. I believe in my God.
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Impunity
#72 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:32:56 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
From ole Ndiritu to Mary to swines! No wazuan can beat Islamic preachers in terrorizing threads. The problem of converting from a faith you weren't really part of is that you get to the other side you jus want to justify your defection!


I gave up on my thread long time ago, its like alien invasion!
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Jus Blazin
#73 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:34:10 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
I eat pork, kwanza ile mbuzi ulaya, bacon,sausages, et al.


Eat what you want just don't claim to be following God's Law because that doesn't even make sense in any way unless you start quoting the luciferian Paul!

Isaiah who told you about the coming of Christ also speaks about the lovers of swine flesh and what will happen to them! smile

James, Jesus and Peter warned you about the ones who would lead you astray and change the teachings!

It's coz I have vested interests in pig farming. Nothing to do with religion, just basic economics.
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Othelo
#74 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:35:49 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
From ole Ndiritu to Mary to swines! No wazuan can beat Islamic preachers in terrorizing threads. The problem of converting from a faith you weren't really part of is that you get to the other side you jus want to justify your defection!


I gave up on my thread long time ago, its like alien invasion!


You tried hapo kati kati ukachindwa. It took some very serious religious dimension.
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guru267
#75 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:39:52 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Nimerudi. Let's all note that @266 said we MUST believe in the teachings of Mo' to make it to heaven. Right guru?


No you don't have to believe in Muhammad!

The main reason I left Christianity is because "Christians" do not actually follow Christ but some pagan who slayed the followers of Christ!

Y'all are too focused on Jesus alleged death to truly live his life Sad
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#76 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:46:20 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
From ole Ndiritu to Mary to swines! No wazuan can beat Islamic preachers in terrorizing threads. The problem of converting from a faith you weren't really part of is that you get to the other side you jus want to justify your defection!


I gave up on my thread long time ago, its like alien invasion!


Is that why you and your cronies were begging and crying for me to join your thread?

Just admit @guru267 is the only reason you start threads about anything Islam.

Its good to know how much impact I have on some peoples lives! Laughing out loudly
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Jus Blazin
#77 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 8:49:45 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Nimerudi. Let's all note that @266 said we MUST believe in the teachings of Mo' to make it to heaven. Right guru?


No you don't have to believe in Muhammad!

The main reason I left Christianity is because "Christians" do not actually follow Christ but some pagan who slayed the followers of Christ!

Y'all are too focused on Jesus alleged death to truly live his life Sad

You are too focused on bashing Christians.
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
masukuma
#78 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 9:00:46 PM
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I think we have had enough of Moha, Paul, Moses, Jesus, constantine, the council of nicaea back to Yesu Njoka - do you think the church is justified?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
guru267
#79 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 9:05:14 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Nimerudi. Let's all note that @266 said we MUST believe in the teachings of Mo' to make it to heaven. Right guru?


No you don't have to believe in Muhammad!

The main reason I left Christianity is because "Christians" do not actually follow Christ but some pagan who slayed the followers of Christ!

Y'all are too focused on Jesus alleged death to truly live his life Sad

You are too focused on bashing Christians.


I ain't bashing Christians...

Just recognize you do not follow the law or commandments of God!

What does loving your neighbours have to do with swine anyway?? All I know is the Messiah never ate swine!

what's sooo hard about not eating swine if its a command?? is it because you get a few gold coins from it, or because it tastes sooo good, or the wolf in sheep's clothing told you it was alright??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Jus Blazin
#80 Posted : Monday, May 26, 2014 9:05:33 PM
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masukuma wrote:
I think we have had enough of Moha, Paul, Moses, Jesus, constantine, the council of nicaea back to Yesu Njoka - do you think the church is justified?

I don't think it is. Jesus is a variant of Joshua. Could be like Mary, Maria, Marilyn, Marion, Mariam, Miriam, etc.
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