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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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If you do some digging you will actually find people who link the 'Iēsous' translation of Yeshua to to 'Zeus' stating that 'Iēsous actually means 'Hail Zeus'. Some refrain from using 'Jesus' to address 'Yeshua' as it is a nick name given to him by the Hellenic people extracted from their Pagan god. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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mwenza wrote:Caveman wrote:Impunity wrote:guru267 wrote:Impunity wrote:His church refused to baptised his only son aged 8 months coz the son is named Jesus! Jeeeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Video Rink If you guys believe Jesus is God then how can your child be called God?? We have @Jesus Navas in Man City. and why do you muslims call just almost all male children Mohamed/Mohamud/Mahmad/Mohaa/Moamed/Ahmejinebad? The Man City player name is pronounced 'Je' as in Jembe and 'sus' as in susu. Note the difference  The "Je" is actually pronounced as "He" as in "hekalu". @mwenza tell them. The "J" sickness of the those who were translating the Bible. They have a sickness of adding and removing and translating names!! Because a name does not change from day to day, from time to time, from place to place or from translation to translation. An apple is apple in China, and it does not become an orange in America. If Jesus (pbuh) never heard the name (Jesus). He never heard the word Christ  This came from Hebrew Messiah, translated Christos in Greek, the eventually translted Christ in English. If he came back today and @Mukiri calls him "Jesus! Jesus!" He won't know you are referring to him!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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guru267 wrote:nakujua wrote:nani anajua, what the full names of Jesus were when he was on earth. In Islam it is "Issa ibn Maryam" or "Jesus son of Mary" and what were the full names of Muhammad ? at least for the Buddhists I know Siddhartha Gautama Buddha.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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nakujua wrote:guru267 wrote:nakujua wrote:nani anajua, what the full names of Jesus were when he was on earth. In Islam it is "Issa ibn Maryam" or "Jesus son of Mary" and what were the full names of Muhammad ? at least for the Buddhists I know Siddhartha Gautama Buddha. "Muhammad ibn Abdullah" or "Muhammad son of Abdullah" Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Impunity wrote:guru267 wrote:Impunity wrote:His church refused to baptised his only son aged 8 months coz the son is named Jesus! Jeeeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Video Rink If you guys believe Jesus is God then how can your child be called God?? We have @Jesus Navas in Man City. and why do you muslims call just almost all male children Mohamed/Mohamud/Mahmad/Mohaa/Moamed/Ahmejinebad? Because Muhammad was just a man... To us he was never and will never be God! Naming your child Muhammad is like naming your child Moses or David! However if Jesus is not a man but is God according to you guys how can you dare equate your child to God Almighty!? One would only name their child Jesus if deep down they knew he wasn't God! why do you declare fatwas on people who attempt to draw him? Muhammad banned drawing images of him and all other prophets so that we would avoid falling into the same trap as the Christians of worshiping those images after his death! In Islam we cannot also draw Christ but the Christians have already taken it upon themselves and even gone as far as drawing images of God Almighty! Who gave him the power to 'ban' then? He was just human like you and me - right? Was he instructed by God to 'ban' or did he just think it was a good idea? @masukuma who gave him the power/permission? Exodus 20:1-26And God spoke all these words, saying: "I am the Lord your God... I'm the Only God, there is no other" (which the church violated by trinity) - "Do not draw, or mould, or carve or ... images of anything in heaven, air, water and earth" ( which the church violated) - "Do not bow down to those things" ( which the church violated) I'm amazed you don't know in the Bible and what it teaches. The ten commandments of God my friend!  
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:If you do some digging you will actually find people who link the 'Iēsous' translation of Yeshua to to 'Zeus' stating that 'Iēsous actually means 'Hail Zeus'. Some refrain from using 'Jesus' to address 'Yeshua' as it is a nick name given to him by the Hellenic people extracted from their Pagan god. You have "Saint" Paul to thank for that perversion! I always wondered why he felt the need to translate Hebrew and Aramaic to Greek and its starting to become clearer now! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Impunity wrote:guru267 wrote:Impunity wrote:His church refused to baptised his only son aged 8 months coz the son is named Jesus! Jeeeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Video Rink If you guys believe Jesus is God then how can your child be called God?? We have @Jesus Navas in Man City. and why do you muslims call just almost all male children Mohamed/Mohamud/Mahmad/Mohaa/Moamed/Ahmejinebad? Because Muhammad was just a man... To us he was never and will never be God! Naming your child Muhammad is like naming your child Moses or David! However if Jesus is not a man but is God according to you guys how can you dare equate your child to God Almighty!? One would only name their child Jesus if deep down they knew he wasn't God! why do you declare fatwas on people who attempt to draw him? Muhammad banned drawing images of him and all other prophets so that we would avoid falling into the same trap as the Christians of worshiping those images after his death! In Islam we cannot also draw Christ but the Christians have already taken it upon themselves and even gone as far as drawing images of God Almighty! Who gave him the power to 'ban' then? He was just human like you and me - right? Was he instructed by God to 'ban' or did he just think it was a good idea? The Christians were the first since Abraham to draw images and make statues and then they started worshiping them! Thank God we avoided that trap of Lucifer! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Impunity wrote:guru267 wrote:Impunity wrote:His church refused to baptised his only son aged 8 months coz the son is named Jesus! Jeeeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Video Rink If you guys believe Jesus is God then how can your child be called God?? We have @Jesus Navas in Man City. and why do you muslims call just almost all male children Mohamed/Mohamud/Mahmad/Mohaa/Moamed/Ahmejinebad? Because Muhammad was just a man... To us he was never and will never be God! Naming your child Muhammad is like naming your child Moses or David! However if Jesus is not a man but is God according to you guys how can you dare equate your child to God Almighty!? One would only name their child Jesus if deep down they knew he wasn't God! why do you declare fatwas on people who attempt to draw him? Muhammad banned drawing images of him and all other prophets so that we would avoid falling into the same trap as the Christians of worshiping those images after his death! In Islam we cannot also draw Christ but the Christians have already taken it upon themselves and even gone as far as drawing images of God Almighty! Who gave him the power to 'ban' then? He was just human like you and me - right? Was he instructed by God to 'ban' or did he just think it was a good idea? @masukuma who gave him the power/permission? Exodus 20:1-26And God spoke all these words, saying: "I am the Lord your God... I'm the Only God, there is no other" (which the church violated by trinity) - "Do not draw, or mould, or carve or ... images of anything in heaven, air, water and earth" ( which the church violated) - "Do not bow down to those things" ( which the church violated) I'm amazed you don't know in the Bible and what it teaches. The ten commandments of God my friend! Boss I know the bible, I know the 10 commandments well. The graven images you are talking about is because people of that time would worship anything that was made by men (why am I explaining to you?) still the same bible commands that people should not keep their hair unkempt. should not cut hair or beard, should not eat fruit from a tree 4 years from planting it e.t.c. so how does this relate to drawing Moha? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:If you do some digging you will actually find people who link the 'Iēsous' translation of Yeshua to to 'Zeus' stating that 'Iēsous actually means 'Hail Zeus'. Some refrain from using 'Jesus' to address 'Yeshua' as it is a nick name given to him by the Hellenic people extracted from their Pagan god. You have "Saint" Paul to thank for that perversion! I always wondered why he felt the need to translate Hebrew and Aramaic to Greek and its starting to become clearer now! do your study well - it was not Paul who wrote the septuagint. Paul just wrote a number of letters to certain churches that were later collated and added to the canon. he was long dead (killed) by then. Muslims love tarnishing that guy and the guy was not even attempting to write scriptures when he was writing those letters. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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On another thread Sheikh told me toi watch who starts these arguments btwn Christians and Muslims. It is clear from first reply to this thread. Now to Jesus, the name. As some have correctly put it, it is derived from Yeshua which is the same name as Joshua. Jesus was a common name in the days Jesus the Christ lived and others are mentioned in the bible. The name Jesus doesn't mean God!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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guru267 wrote:nakujua wrote:guru267 wrote:nakujua wrote:nani anajua, what the full names of Jesus were when he was on earth. In Islam it is "Issa ibn Maryam" or "Jesus son of Mary" and what were the full names of Muhammad ? at least for the Buddhists I know Siddhartha Gautama Buddha. "Muhammad ibn Abdullah" or "Muhammad son of Abdullah" What about his middle name? We also know @Jesus (pbuh) was son of @Mary and @Joseph! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Just because one converted from a denomination where they make statues doesn't mean everybody worships statues!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Lolest! wrote:On another thread Sheikh told me toi watch who starts these arguments btwn Christians and Muslims. It is clear from first reply to this thread. Now to Jesus, the name. As some have correctly put it, it is derived from Yeshua which is the same name as Joshua. Jesus was a common name in the days Jesus the Christ lived and others are mentioned in the bible. The name Jesus doesn't mean God! On that note I'm worried about this clean thread. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Just because one converted from a denomination where they make statues doesn't mean everybody worships statues! The foundation of all Christianity is the Catholic faith! How can one deny worshiping statues and at the same time accept the concept of trinity that was introduced by the same same Catholics?? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Just because one converted from a denomination where they make statues doesn't mean everybody worships statues! The foundation of all Christianity is the Catholic faith! How can one deny worshiping statues and at the same time accept the concept of trinity that was introduced by the same same Catholics?? it was not the 'catholics' but rather the council of nicea! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:If you do some digging you will actually find people who link the 'Iēsous' translation of Yeshua to to 'Zeus' stating that 'Iēsous actually means 'Hail Zeus'. Some refrain from using 'Jesus' to address 'Yeshua' as it is a nick name given to him by the Hellenic people extracted from their Pagan god. You have "Saint" Paul to thank for that perversion! I always wondered why he felt the need to translate Hebrew and Aramaic to Greek and its starting to become clearer now! do your study well - it was not Paul who wrote the septuagint. Paul just wrote a number of letters to certain churches that were later collated and added to the canon. he was long dead (killed) by then. Muslims love tarnishing that guy and the guy was not even attempting to write scriptures when he was writing those letters. Muslims do not tarnish the guy unjustly... God forbade eating swine, Jesus never ate swine and then came along "Saint" Paul who said swine should be the delicacy of Christians! God said get circumcised, Jesus got circumcised and then came along "Saint" Paul saying circumcision is a waste of time! It was "Saint" Paul who began the introduction of Paganism into the religion of Jesus and necessitated the coming of Islam Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Just because one converted from a denomination where they make statues doesn't mean everybody worships statues! The foundation of all Christianity is the Catholic faith! How can one deny worshiping statues and at the same time accept the concept of trinity that was introduced by the same same Catholics?? it was not the 'catholics' but rather the council of nicea! My friend the council of Nacea was a congregation set up, presided and concluded by a Pagan Emperor Constantine which was wholeheartedly accepted by Catholics as doctrine! At this council all teachings of Paul were embraced and the Hebrew teachings of Jesus disciples that did not agree were set ablaze! The pagan background of this council makes it even worse that such a concept is followed by most Christians to date Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Just because one converted from a denomination where they make statues doesn't mean everybody worships statues! The foundation of all Christianity is the Catholic faith! How can one deny worshiping statues and at the same time accept the concept of trinity that was introduced by the same same Catholics?? it was not the 'catholics' but rather the council of nicea! The Council was set because of the rise in Arianism!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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You see what confounds Guru is that in majority Muslim countries, anyone so much as mentioning Mohammed in bad light meets instant death from incensed mobs. In most majority Christian countries, there is more tolerance. You see we do not have to fight for the creator of the universe. We do not need organize a mob to burn down his house and kill him and family. We do not have to maintain an environment of fear so that everyone has to believe or die. We need to pray for him, so that he may change from his ways. We see him for the fool he just as the the bible says ' the fool has said in his heart, there is no God' We know that our God is merciful, quick to forgive and is slow to anger. We also know that his anger is like a consuming fire and guys such as Mr Njoka will ultimately meet judgement. Clearly the reason he is calling his son Jesus is just to court controversy just as his Maendeleo ya wanaume thing does (by the way it has died on it's own). We are happy to leave judgement to the one who sees everything - even our thoughts and who will deal with all humanity as he sees fit. Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Just because one converted from a denomination where they make statues doesn't mean everybody worships statues! The foundation of all Christianity is the Catholic faith! How can one deny worshiping statues and at the same time accept the concept of trinity that was introduced by the same same Catholics?? THEY DID NOT INTRODUCE!! I know that's what they've rammed into you but: Thomas said to Jesus in Jn 20: 28: ‘My Lord and my God!’ In Mtt 28:9, the women who saw Jesus clasped at his feet and worshipped him Finally in Matthew 28:16 Quote: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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