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AlphDoti wrote:ecstacy wrote:...In the 21st Century, yes the Bible also gets misinterpreted but on sheer numbers, why does the Koran happen to be the most misinterpreted holy book - by muslims themselves - resulting in Islam being the current bulk contributor for religious extremists?
Islam on that basis is the most buggy religion Let me say this. I invite you @ecstacy to stand at the gate of your place of work, or go to Eastleigh, or go to town or at any university of your choice, and talk to a Muslim. I mean let us not ask Hillary CLinton about Qur'an. Let us not ask CNN or Tom Brokaw... about how Muslim women feel. Let us not ask Daily Nation or Substandard or Daily Press etc. Let us not ask non-Muslims about Qur'an, how Muslims live, what are their principles, what are their challenges, what it says about education. If you want to be fair, ask a Muslim. Ask a Muslim woman, ask @guru. Ask my wife (  ), ask my mother ... You see.Ask a Muslim who knows his/her religion, who has a relationship with the Creator, who is stable in her sosiety, who has understanding of her responsibility... ask her. And after that, I think you should be fair that you don't need to ask someone else. But the problem is, no one really wants to ask MuslimWe want to take pictures of women in Afghanistan, and pictures of women in Palestine, and pictures of women in Pakistan and pictures of women in Nigeria. And we want to listen to what people want to say about female circumcision as if Muslims have women thousands, thirty thousand all over the world are being circumcised! Some crazy Maina Kageni stuff!!! Who talked of asking anyone? Actions speak louder than words is an English saying whilst a scriptural one would be "by their fruits you will know them". Meanwhile stop mixing theocracy and democracy.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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ecstacy wrote:guru267 wrote:ectacy wrote:No offense intended but the fact that you can draw similarities in the holy books for the two religions but still fail to explain why only one has a tyranny of terrorists goes to show there is something fundamentally wrong with the Islamic teachings or worse, the average IQ of most adherents. I already explained but let me do it again in fewer words! The Bible says kill apostates and the Qur'an also says kill apostates! The difference is Most Christians have no clue that their Bible even says that and even worse they hold the constitution and UN charters higher than the Law of God! On the otherhand Muslims who are taught to memorize the Qur'an and hold the Law of God as supreme to any other law! No, ms guru, umedanganywa, I do read the Bible and it does not say kill apostates however much you try link it wewe. Where wronged in Romans 12:19, the Almighty Lord says "Vengence is mine". Murder is expressly condemned in both old and new testaments. No need even quoting that for you, it's that obvious in the Bible. The Bible in Matthew 22:39 goes onto show how we should relate with ALL our neighbors including these "apostates" as you call them: - "Love your neighbour as you love yourself". Humans killing or harming other humans in the name of God is a preserve of your "Islamic" religion. You guys are on your own on that so stop looking for dark company. I love how Christians deny the very clear Old Testament once it contardicts the vague words in the new Testament  Everything that "Saint" Paul taught contradicts with the Law of God so he is basically Lucifer incarnate! As much as Christ taught a better way he specifically and clearly said that he has not and will never abolish or change the law of Moses! So my friend unless you tear out the pages, Deuteronomy 13 will always say that apostates must be put to death!!Or is Deuteronomy a "dark book" as you put it?? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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ecstacy wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ecstacy wrote:
No offense intended but the fact that you can draw similarities in the holy books for the two religions but still fail to explain why only one has a tyranny of terrorists goes to show there is something fundamentally wrong with the Islamic teachings or worse, the average IQ of most adherents.
Because you choose to ignore atrocities committed by others. It is a fact Christianity during the era of the Crusades in past centuries had the tyranny of terrorists. In the 21st Century Islam has the tyranny of terrorists, it is a fact. And by stating these facts... How is the religion to blame?? Christianity or Islam?? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:guru267 wrote:ectacy wrote:No offense intended but the fact that you can draw similarities in the holy books for the two religions but still fail to explain why only one has a tyranny of terrorists goes to show there is something fundamentally wrong with the Islamic teachings or worse, the average IQ of most adherents. I already explained but let me do it again in fewer words! The Bible says kill apostates and the Qur'an also says kill apostates! The difference is Most Christians have no clue that their Bible even says that and even worse they hold the constitution and UN charters higher than the Law of God! On the otherhand Muslims who are taught to memorize the Qur'an and hold the Law of God as supreme to any other law! No, ms guru, umedanganywa, I do read the Bible and it does not say kill apostates however much you try link it wewe. Where wronged in Romans 12:19, the Almighty Lord says "Vengence is mine". Murder is expressly condemned in both old and new testaments. No need even quoting that for you, it's that obvious in the Bible. The Bible in Matthew 22:39 goes onto show how we should relate with ALL our neighbors including these "apostates" as you call them: - "Love your neighbour as you love yourself". Humans killing or harming other humans in the name of God is a preserve of your "Islamic" religion. You guys are on your own on that so stop looking for dark company. I love how Christians deny the very clear Old Testament once it contardicts the vague words in the new Testament Everything that "Saint" Paul taught contradicts with the Law of God so he is basically Lucifer incarnate! As much as Christ taught a better way he specifically and clearly said that he has not and will never abolish or change the law of Moses! So my friend unless you tear out the pages, Deuteronomy 13 will always say that apostates must be put to death!!Or is Deuteronomy a "dark book" as you put it?? I can see where your darkness begins.. Politely, the Messiah - Jesus Christ - was a fulfillment of all what the Old Testament was and his teachings are what form the basis for Christians or "followers of Christ". With that stop nit picking the old testament for Islamic backup. If you guys still there, upgrade to Version 2.0 the New Testament.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ecstacy wrote:
No offense intended but the fact that you can draw similarities in the holy books for the two religions but still fail to explain why only one has a tyranny of terrorists goes to show there is something fundamentally wrong with the Islamic teachings or worse, the average IQ of most adherents.
Because you choose to ignore atrocities committed by others. It is a fact Christianity during the era of the Crusades in past centuries had the tyranny of terrorists. In the 21st Century Islam has the tyranny of terrorists, it is a fact. And by stating these facts... How is the religion to blame?? Christianity or Islam?? The moment you put human institutions around faith, human thought and actions are being felt through religion from centuries past to current.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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ecstacy wrote:With that stop nit picking the old testament for Islamic backup. If you guys still there, upgrade to Version 2.0 the New Testament. Who is nit picking anything? The law of God which cannot be changed said you shall not eat pork and you can kill apostates! If Lucifer through "Saint" Paul told you that swine is now good for you and you believed Shauri zenu! If you really believe Jesus abolished and changed the law of Moses then why in the name of God does the same law of Moses make up half of the Bible? Jesus said those who kill apostates etc would attain the least of heaven and those who didnt would get the most of heaven! So if I kill apostates I still get heaven albeit a smaller one than the one who doesnt kill them! That is the fulfilment he talks about! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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ecstacy wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ecstacy wrote:...In the 21st Century, yes the Bible also gets misinterpreted but on sheer numbers, why does the Koran happen to be the most misinterpreted holy book - by muslims themselves - resulting in Islam being the current bulk contributor for religious extremists?
Islam on that basis is the most buggy religion Let me say this. I invite you @ecstacy to stand at the gate of your place of work, or go to Eastleigh, or go to town or at any university of your choice, and talk to a Muslim. I mean let us not ask Hillary Clinton about Qur'an. Let us not ask CNN or Tom Brokaw... about how Muslim women feel. Let us not ask Daily Nation or Substandard or Daily Press etc. Let us not ask non-Muslims about Qur'an, how Muslims live, what are their principles, what are their challenges, what it says about education. If you want to be fair, ask a Muslim. Ask a Muslim woman, ask @guru. Ask my wife ( ), ask my mother ... You see.Ask a Muslim who knows his/her religion, who has a relationship with the Creator, who is stable in her sosiety, who has understanding of her responsibility... ask her. And after that, I think you should be fair that you don't need to ask someone else. But the problem is, no one really wants to ask MuslimWe want to take pictures of women in Afghanistan, and pictures of women in Palestine, and pictures of women in Pakistan and pictures of women in Nigeria. And we want to listen to what people want to say about female circumcision as if Muslims have women thousands, thirty thousand all over the world are being circumcised! Some crazy Maina Kageni stuff!!! Who talked of asking anyone? Actions speak louder than words is an English saying whilst a scriptural one would be "by their fruits you will know them". Meanwhile stop mixing theocracy and democracy @ecstacy, so separate the two then. The action you are talking about is Al Qaeda and Taliban and now Boko Haram. The tree is the founder by U.S. (Bush and Clinton), and the fruit is the terrorist group. If you really want to test drive a car, put behind the steering wheel an expert driver.The best exemplary Muslims you can find is prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Read his seera (life history), you'll find his the best exemplary Muslim and the best example of human being that has lived. That is the reason I say that understand the religion by looking at the scriptures. And when you read the scriptures, the authentic sources, the Quran and sahih Hadiths you will really appreciate Islam.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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ecstacy wrote:guru267 wrote:ectacy wrote:No offense intended but the fact that you can draw similarities in the holy books for the two religions but still fail to explain why only one has a tyranny of terrorists goes to show there is something fundamentally wrong with the Islamic teachings or worse, the average IQ of most adherents. I already explained but let me do it again in fewer words! The Bible says kill apostates and the Qur'an also says kill apostates! The difference is Most Christians have no clue that their Bible even says that and even worse they hold the constitution and UN charters higher than the Law of God! On the otherhand Muslims who are taught to memorize the Qur'an and hold the Law of God as supreme to any other law! No, ms guru, umedanganywa, I do read the Bible and it does not say kill apostates however much you try link it wewe. Where wronged in Romans 12:19, the Almighty Lord says "Vengence is mine". Murder is expressly condemned in both old and new testaments. No need even quoting that for you, it's that obvious in the Bible. The Bible in Matthew 22:39 goes onto show how we should relate with ALL our neighbors including these "apostates" as you call them: - "Love your neighbour as you love yourself". Humans killing or harming other humans in the name of God is a preserve of your "Islamic" religion. You guys are on your own on that so stop looking for dark company. @ecstacy, please confirm if this verse is in your Bible: Matthew 10:34 " Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."Luke 22:36: He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Huh it's no longer about the prostitutes? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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The true fulfilment of Christ in the Qur'anQur'an 5:45-47 wrote:We ordained therein for them in the Torah:
"Life for life eye for eye nose for
nose ear for ear tooth for tooth and
wounds equal for equal." But as Christ said
anyone who remits the retaliation by
turning the other cheek it is an act of
atonement for himself. The more you abolish the law before Christ the further you are from him! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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