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Buying low cost property for rental...whats your take?
Gordon Gekko
#41 Posted : Sunday, May 25, 2014 9:14:57 AM
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gatoho wrote:
Forgive me but the govt doesn't see construction/purchase as costs? We need some
progressive laws

That's the equivalent of the garment donating money to you.
KulaRaha
#42 Posted : Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:04:58 AM
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But if you buy ready built up, can you deduct maintenance and improvements as costs?
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mpobiz
#43 Posted : Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:22:42 AM
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This is very interesting. Let's put aside all this maths
in this kind of realestate investment I think it's not a R.I kind of investment. here you are not investing for "you" but for your generations.
when your R.I calculations hit the kind of years am looking at here, then this investment is not for you. And that's how our forefathers used to do things. If you think the building you are buying or constructing will look as good in 30 years as it looks today, with renovations or there room for expansion. If you can afford it (if it doesn't affect your working capital)
Buy it!!
I stand to be corrected
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Gordon Gekko
#44 Posted : Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:43:53 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
But if you buy ready built up, can you deduct maintenance and improvements as costs?

Maintenance is deductible if it is to retain the property in the same state, i.e. painting, fixing a leak. if it improves the earning power of the property, like adding another apartment on top, that doesn't qualify.
If you buy already built up, you are entitled to claim the unused capital deductions of the seller i.e. if the seller had claimed deductions for seven years, you can continue claiming for 32 years, the balance of the 40 year period.
Any improvement is also entitled to 40 years capital deductions.

I have used 40 years as the default used by KRA, I think with recent changes it could be 10 years. I believe that you can also set this period yourself depending on the accounting policy you adopt. However if you make this period too short, it has the effect of putting you in a tax loss position, and KRA allow such tax losses for only four years.
Mucene
#45 Posted : Sunday, May 25, 2014 6:25:05 PM
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gatoho wrote:
Forgive me but the govt doesn't see construction/purchase as costs? We need some
progressive laws


You may not be forgiven as construction cost qualifies for capital deductions and on purchase you continue to claim unused capital deduction.

If a building is bought new, the lower of construction and purchase value qualifies unless the seller is a person who carries on the business of constructing and selling houses in which case the purchase cost qualifies.



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KulaRaha
#46 Posted : Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:44:38 PM
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Great tax accounting insights Mr Gekko, most appreciated!

Mpobiz, this is investing for retirement, and leaving behind a legacy for my kids. Rental income when I retire and have no monthly payments to make would be most healthy.

Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
propertyvaluer
#47 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:17:22 PM
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#KulaRaha#

This property value doesn't add up. I did a valuation in Umoja, near the chiefs place in March this year, and the property was worth 40 million with a monthly income of 156,000. Based on the different approaches of valuation i.e Comparables Approach, Income Approach or Contractors Approach, it is not feasible to get such a property at that price in Umoja.

For a further breakdown, kindly avail the details of the block of flats and the size of the plot that it lies on.
propertyvaluer
#48 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:05:58 PM
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#KulaRaha#

This property value doesn't add up. I did a valuation in Umoja, near the chiefs place in March this year, and the property was worth 40 million with a monthly income of 156,000. Based on the different approaches of valuation i.e Comparables Approach, Income Approach or Contractors Approach, it is not feasible to get such a property at that price in Umoja.

For a further breakdown, kindly avail the details of the block of flats and the size of the plot that it lies on.
Wendz
#49 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:00:04 PM
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Is it true that the Mungiki also come for its share of the rentals and a percentage after you sell off? There was word that something like that happens in Umoja. anyone enlighten us on that...
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