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Executive House Estate Demolition
XSK
#21 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:37:15 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
Seems Sonko is the saviour for mot of Nairobians. It makes no point to demolish buildings in a country having issues with making financial ends meet.


@A4

Even when someone has built on your land without your consent? Sad
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webish
#22 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:53:35 PM
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navara wrote:
the demolitions were at the new executive housing estate being built but have been stopped thanx to sonko who was on ground.ofcourse anxiety among residents of bankvilla,diamond park etc not knowing what might happen but sonko promised no further demolitions since the matter is in court na anafuatilia.


This is really sad. Plus There's something fishy going on here. The last phase of this project was started months ago and they have been built at a certain speed which is suspicious to me. (i see progress daily, somehow).. Shame on you Shame on you

There's definitely Panic among all the neighbor estates, Diamond/Bankers/Current Executive. Not sure about Eagles Plains yet.

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HaMaina
#23 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:57:25 PM
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If you deal with, handle, or are in any way associated with stolen property it can happen. We should all be personally very careful when purchasing property.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:59:34 PM
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XSK wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
Seems Sonko is the saviour for mot of Nairobians. It makes no point to demolish buildings in a country having issues with making financial ends meet.


@A4

Even when someone has built on your land without your consent? Sad


@xsk, if its built on land belonging to an individual, then demolition is a solution. If its built on land belonging to Govt, then demolition is not a solution. Ministry of lands/agric appropriated the land from govt to individuals hence what is required are more detailed laws on how idle govt lands should transfer to the public within the confines of law.

In other developed countries, they check all idle underutilized govt lands then use well crafted laws to resell the same to the public for development.

http://www.parliament.uk...and%20Reform%20Paper.pdf
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alma
#25 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:12:03 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
XSK wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
Seems Sonko is the saviour for mot of Nairobians. It makes no point to demolish buildings in a country having issues with making financial ends meet.


@A4

Even when someone has built on your land without your consent? Sad


@xsk, if its built on land belonging to an individual, then demolition is a solution. If its built on land belonging to Govt, then demolition is not a solution. Ministry of lands/agric appropriated the land from govt to individuals hence what is required are more detailed laws on how idle govt lands should transfer to the public within the confines of law.


For how long will you continue cheating Kenyans.

That land was not given by any gov't. It was usurped illegally by the former Commissioner of lands and his girlfriend. Then sold illegally to NSSF.

It's only fair that you tell the truth when you argue in public.
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#26 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:14:43 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
XSK wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
Seems Sonko is the saviour for mot of Nairobians. It makes no point to demolish buildings in a country having issues with making financial ends meet.


@A4

Even when someone has built on your land without your consent? Sad


@xsk, if its built on land belonging to an individual, then demolition is a solution. If its built on land belonging to Govt, then demolition is not a solution. Ministry of lands/agric appropriated the land from govt to individuals hence what is required are more detailed laws on how idle govt lands should transfer to the public within the confines of law.

What you are saying is we legalize grabbing.
Demolitions should not spare anyone either on private or public land
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XSK
#27 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:26:38 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
XSK wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
Seems Sonko is the saviour for mot of Nairobians. It makes no point to demolish buildings in a country having issues with making financial ends meet.


@A4

Even when someone has built on your land without your consent? Sad


@xsk, if its built on land belonging to an individual, then demolition is a solution. If its built on land belonging to Govt, then demolition is not a solution. Ministry of lands/agric appropriated the land from govt to individuals hence what is required are more detailed laws on how idle govt lands should transfer to the public within the confines of law.

What you are saying is we legalize grabbing.
Demolitions should not spare anyone either on private or public land


I think so too!

However it should not end there, all the criminals involved in the illegal transfer should face the law.

I am only sorry for some of the buyers who trusted the professionals blindly. I believe they were innocent and acted to the best of their knowledge.
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Gathige
#28 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:29:20 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
Seems Sonko is the saviour for mot of Nairobians. It makes no point to demolish buildings in a country having issues with making financial ends meet.



@a4a, I disagree with you on this one. illegality remains an illegality irrespective of circumstances.
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a4architect.com
#29 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:29:59 PM
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@mpobiz, hehe....lol its more of coming up with laws that clearly lay dwn the process of land moving from govt to public. It happens all the time in developed countries but within legal frameworks. check here in scotland http://www.parliament.uk...nd%20Reform%20Paper.pdf
In Kenyan laws the process is very unclear, with the president,minister for lands and now commissioner of lands taking huge powers in decision making.
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a4architect.com
#30 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:38:36 PM
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The buck stops with the cabinet secretary for lands/parliament . If i was to advise her/them on this, i would suggest to borrow from developed countries on how transfer of idle government lands is to be done through creation of land laws like Scotland and other countries are doing.
http://www.parliament.uk...nd%20Reform%20Paper.pdf

In a country like Kenya with rampant corruption and lack of meritocracy at decision making level, implementation and debate of such laws will of-course take huge political tangents but it would be worth the try.

In my day to day as an architect, i deal with land appropriation issues in countries around kenya eg rwanda whereby as the towns and cities are expanding, govt is allocating its land to private individuals for development. In such countries, the process is done within set rules/laws/guidelines that are fair. What lacks in Kenya is these laws that are deemed to be fair by all such that @alma and @xzk are given an equal chance to bid for the land. Its a tall order to imagine that govt will utilize all its prime lands in nairobi. fact is that govt will need to appropriate to private sector insted of the land lying idle and benefiting no one exept grasshoppers.
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