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h2s
#181 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 10:57:25 AM
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Some people seem to know more as regards to KenolKobil by the way this thing has been swinging.
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mlennyma
#182 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:37:21 AM
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This monday is no different,this bounce has lost legs unless something changes.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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#183 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 3:58:05 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
This monday is no different,this bounce has lost legs unless something changes.


I knew it! been here too many times before
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Metasploit
#184 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:05:10 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
This monday is no different,this bounce has lost legs unless something changes.


I knew it! been here too many times before


This one is in your palms!We call it experience..

But the Market looks spooked today.

Eg Equity at 12% off from the Record High,KCB etc

Maybe it can go higher after this moody episode is over

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Gordon Gekko
#185 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:48:36 PM
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jawgey wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
Goldilocks Reloaded wrote:
What really is the news at Kenol? 16m shares worth KES 141m traded in first 30 minutes of trade...?

At the AGM at the Hilton waiting for lunch. Show me how to send a selfe with Ohana and Mathenge


@Gordon Gekko what transpired in the AGM? enlighten wazuans..

sorry, I'm just seeing this @jawgey:

2012 was the worst, 2013 marked the turnaround through restructuring of staff, debt, focus.
Staff rationalisation, 236 staff offloaded
Debt retired by selling non core assets
Focus away from volumes but pushing products with high margins (LPG, lubricants, real estate development)
Admission that market leadership is not a good focus - why should you be a loss making leader like KK was in 2013?
Management committed to making 2014 a very successful year
Management will engage Government a lot more and constructively
Shilling still a risk, but will not be hedged as in 2013
KPRL fully settled
KPC awaiting Court of Appeal determination of damages as KPC has appealed against arbitrator's award that they thought was excessive.
PUMA deal is dead. Management working on increasing value of the company so that a prospective suitor can pay a good price.
Management has taken a decision not to talk too much (a snide at Segman?)
Without mentioning the parties, an admission that the 10 top shareholders have changed
Dividend policy is paying out 20% - 30% of net profit

LUNCH WAS CRAP
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jawgey
#186 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:58:03 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
jawgey wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
Goldilocks Reloaded wrote:
What really is the news at Kenol? 16m shares worth KES 141m traded in first 30 minutes of trade...?

At the AGM at the Hilton waiting for lunch. Show me how to send a selfe with Ohana and Mathenge


@Gordon Gekko what transpired in the AGM? enlighten wazuans..

sorry, I'm just seeing this @jawgey:

2012 was the worst, 2013 marked the turnaround through restructuring of staff, debt, focus.
Staff rationalisation, 236 staff offloaded
Debt retired by selling non core assets
Focus away from volumes but pushing products with high margins( LPG, lubricants, real estate development)
Admission that market leadership is not a good focus - why should you be a loss making leader like KK was in 2013?
Management committed to making 2014 a very successful year
Management will engage Government a lot more and constructively
Shilling still a risk, but will not be hedged as in 2013
KPRL fully settled
KPC awaiting Court of Appeal determination of damages as KPC has appealed against arbitrator's award that they thought was excessive.
PUMA deal is dead. Management working on increasing value of the company so that a prospective suitor can pay a good price.
Management has taken a decision not to talk too much (a snide at Segman?)
Without mentioning the parties, an admission that the 10 top shareholders have changed
Dividend policy is paying out 20% - 30% of net profit

LUNCH WAS CRAP


Thanks for the update. Hoping the massive restructuring will pay off going forward. They have a good a plan and it seems for someone going long-term one can't be wrong. probably another suitor is in the offing .Am sure the top shareholders have been exiting no wonder the recent volume spikes.
Seeing is believing
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#187 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:52:17 AM
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@GordonGekko - I will recommend that KK stops giving lunch. Why waste money on lunch when KK can pay a higher dividend or use the cash it saves to pay down debt!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#188 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:43:31 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@GordonGekko - I will recommend that KK stops giving lunch. Why waste money on lunch when KK can pay a higher dividend or use the cash it saves to pay down debt!


I assume you're talking about lunch at the AGM? Or is it lunch to staff?
I'm sure only 100-300 people attend the AGM and I'm sure the attending owners of the company (shareholders) will not agree with you. I don't think this cost constitutes to a big amount. Don't forget that others if not most have travelled from far and this is an African gesture.

BBI will solve it :)
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#189 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:52:16 AM
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Do we still have fuel price controls?this month may have passed my ears.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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#190 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:03:06 AM
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2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@GordonGekko - I will recommend that KK stops giving lunch. Why waste money on lunch when KK can pay a higher dividend or use the cash it saves to pay down debt!


I assume you're talking about lunch at the AGM? Or is it lunch to staff?
I'm sure only 100-300 people attend the AGM and I'm sure the attending owners of the company (shareholders) will not agree with you. I don't think this cost constitutes to a big amount. Don't forget that others if not most have travelled from far and this is an African gesture.
"Lunch" for shareholders should be eliminated since the benefits neither the firm nor the other shareholders who cannot attend. As for 'gestures' that is nonsense... It's recommended but NOT compulsory to attend. And the questions should be about the firm not the lunch it provides. Look at Safaricom which clarified that lunch is NOT on the menu at its AGMs. And it has worked out well for them.

I can guarantee you that if each shareholder [not just those who attend] was asked whether to pay for lunch for the attendees... most would say NO. I would & I try to attend these AGMs.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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whiteowl
#191 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:29:25 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Do we still have fuel price controls?this month may have passed my ears.


We still do. They increase it by 2 bob n reduce reduce it by a similar amount next month. #MusicalChairs.
latest prices rink
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#192 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:27:04 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Do we still have fuel price controls?this month may have passed my ears.


We still do. They increase it by 2 bob n reduce reduce it by a similar amount next month. #MusicalChairs.
latest prices rink

It maybe status quo next month, taking April and May averages. But if the Ksh continues taking a beating we are likely to see a further increase. Historically, May usually offer the least prices so no one should expect any better pump prices going forward!
Timely advice is as lovely as golden apples in a silver basket. Proverbs 25:11
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#193 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:47:56 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@GordonGekko - I will recommend that KK stops giving lunch. Why waste money on lunch when KK can pay a higher dividend or use the cash it saves to pay down debt!


I assume you're talking about lunch at the AGM? Or is it lunch to staff?
I'm sure only 100-300 people attend the AGM and I'm sure the attending owners of the company (shareholders) will not agree with you. I don't think this cost constitutes to a big amount. Don't forget that others if not most have travelled from far and this is an African gesture.
"Lunch" for shareholders should be eliminated since the benefits neither the firm nor the other shareholders who cannot attend. As for 'gestures' that is nonsense... It's recommended but NOT compulsory to attend. And the questions should be about the firm not the lunch it provides. Look at Safaricom which clarified that lunch is NOT on the menu at its AGMs. And it has worked out well for them.

I can guarantee you that if each shareholder [not just those who attend] was asked whether to pay for lunch for the attendees... most would say NO. I would & I try to attend these AGMs.


I agree with you but let's face it, most of us don't attend AGM. KK is not Safaricom so why would they want a hostile AGM that will play out negatively even to their future suitors just because of a plate of food? What they need to cut down in my opinion is the Directors perks. AGMs in Kenya are ceremonial PR events.

BBI will solve it :)
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#194 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:34:52 PM
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2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@GordonGekko - I will recommend that KK stops giving lunch. Why waste money on lunch when KK can pay a higher dividend or use the cash it saves to pay down debt!


I assume you're talking about lunch at the AGM? Or is it lunch to staff?
I'm sure only 100-300 people attend the AGM and I'm sure the attending owners of the company (shareholders) will not agree with you. I don't think this cost constitutes to a big amount. Don't forget that others if not most have travelled from far and this is an African gesture.
"Lunch" for shareholders should be eliminated since the benefits neither the firm nor the other shareholders who cannot attend. As for 'gestures' that is nonsense... It's recommended but NOT compulsory to attend. And the questions should be about the firm not the lunch it provides. Look at Safaricom which clarified that lunch is NOT on the menu at its AGMs. And it has worked out well for them.

I can guarantee you that if each shareholder [not just those who attend] was asked whether to pay for lunch for the attendees... most would say NO. I would & I try to attend these AGMs.


I agree with you but let's face it, most of us don't attend AGM. KK is not Safaricom so why would they want a hostile AGM that will play out negatively even to their future suitors just because of a plate of food? What they need to cut down in my opinion is the Directors perks. AGMs in Kenya are ceremonial PR events.
How do hostile minority shareholders affect the opinion of future suitors? As is, most suitors want to buy out the minority shareholders and couldn't be bothered.

Access, CMC, etc... the ones who matter are those who can cumulatively provide the 50%, 75% then 90% of the shares... For KK, that is first & foremost biwott & family.

Access - It was the Somens & the rest of the top 20 shareholders.
CMC - Ndungu, Kibe, Mobicom, Muthoka & Andy [Add Njonjo & Kiereini]
Rea - Robinows + the others in the top 20
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#195 Posted : Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:40:43 PM
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KK dividend iko wapi? books closed on 16 may, paid 5 June. Kwa bank hakuna kitu!! Leo nimekua pothita hakuna kitu!! my peanuts leteni tu utamu wa nuts ni kukula kamoja kamoja
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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#196 Posted : Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:13:38 PM
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With much behind us what would be the fair value if Puma came back for the girl -KK again? The Girl is showing maturity to and is saying she is now mature enough to move on. If not PUMA someone is who is will to walk her down the business line.
But I had that still Puma has not remove or taken the engagement ring. We will see what is happening soon when the girl adopt her new clothes and moves up to 13 Kshs and pointing to 17 Kshs. Is 21 to 27 a fair value. Would China try to do more business with Kenya in the oil industry noting that they have oil companies in Sundan, Angola and even may want to face the African retail business to set proper foot?
Ohana said he is still recieving letters from proponents for the girl!
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#197 Posted : Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:49:35 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
With much behind us what would be the fair value if Puma came back for the girl -KK again? The Girl is showing maturity to and is saying she is now mature enough to move on. If not PUMA someone is who is will to walk her down the business line.
But I had that still Puma has not remove or taken the engagement ring. We will see what is happening soon when the girl adopt her new clothes and moves up to 13 Kshs and pointing to 17 Kshs. Is 21 to 27 a fair value. Would China try to do more business with Kenya in the oil industry noting that they have oil companies in Sundan, Angola and even may want to face the African retail business to set proper foot?
Ohana said he is still recieving letters from proponents for the girl!


these are the kind of rumours we need to get this thing flying past Ksh 10
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h2s
#198 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:11:53 PM
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Is this a ploy to scare small investors?

http://www.businessdailyafrica....4/-/j7u1d1z/-/index.html
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#199 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:22:00 PM
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h2s wrote:
Is this a ploy to scare small investors?

http://www.businessdailyafrica....4/-/j7u1d1z/-/index.html

Its their new strategy, operate in the high margin segment, a strategy that was adopted after price controls. Quality over quantity.
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#200 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:51:51 PM
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Ohana unlike Segman is a back office fellow who keep secrets and only releases information at the correct time. This behaviour can lead to surprises.
The one time Active Segman could tells us even when KK bought a sinle gas station, tell us what to expect before the outcomes etc. Who is smarter now is the one who will make profit when Ohana release any good actual proceedings with time.
Who is dating KK?
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