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Britain Engaging In Economic Sabotage
eco
#21 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 1:33:38 PM
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murchr wrote:
Britain is behaving like a 'jilted lover' my fear is that they might even plant something just to prove their point.


They (Britain) should also go ahead and evacuate BATUK and their Embassy. Tourists and money will come from elsewhere!
KulaRaha
#22 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 2:13:03 PM
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Those Chinese better come soon, 10 hotels shutdown in Watamu, Lamu & Kwale over the weekend, as heard on Kiss FM news this morning.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Obi 1 Kanobi
#23 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 3:46:40 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Those Chinese better come soon, 10 hotels shutdown in Watamu, Lamu & Kwale over the weekend, as heard on Kiss FM news this morning.


We are potentially looking at pre-Kibaki economic performance at this rate. I hope someone is doing some serious worrying at the gava level.

The only saving grace is that we have a stronger internal capital base.
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Metasploit
#24 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:15:40 PM
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muganda wrote:
Not sure to what extent this agrees, but I note for the first time in aeons, Aly-Khan Satchu's article showed a vein of worry...

He talks of red-signals on Kenya's dashboard:
- Advisories and hasty departure of UK tourists
- US ambassador's new request for security assets
- Reduction of US embassy overall footprint
- Tourism on its knees; Msa recession evident

The Star: The Dash-Board Is Blinking Amber



This is called Economic Warfare

Read Economic Warfare: Sanctions, Embargo Busting, and Their Human Cost by R. Thomas Naylor

May hurt in the short to medium term,But if KE has the resources up in the north,long term might sustain.

But the footprints are clear.

Next you might hear a reduction of the UN agencies in Nairobi overall footprint because of Terrorism etc


“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
Metasploit
#25 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:17:22 PM
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If DSE should start seeing some liquidity,it is a good equity investment option too

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
KulaRaha
#26 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:18:26 PM
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But we shouldn't worry too much, there are enough billionaires in government and civil service to keep the economy running. Just bring back some of the loot from offshore and we won't even need the Chinese.

Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
accelriskconsult
#27 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:23:56 PM
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I wish Chris Muchiri (Murchr) and his ilk used the same energy to demand that the president fires his security team and implements meaningful reforms in the police force.

It is the only way to bring tourists back and no amount of blaming the west and the opposition will stop the slide.

You seem to assume that tourists are not people of sound mind, capable of making their own decisions and reading situations.

Question is, do you feel safe even though you are not a tourist?

murchr
#28 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:32:27 PM
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Is it really the Chinese or theres more? I dont want to believe that those few contracts are the cause of this.

Consultant, a Kenyan company whos majority shareholder is british just got a tender to work on the metropolis security network, so is it really abt security? I dont think so.
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#29 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:43:38 PM
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The cause of terror can be from any source, including usa/europe. The Govt must improve security such that speculation as to who is causing the bombs to explode, whether al shabaab or usa, is investigated to a point of Kenyans knowing who is truly their enemy no.1. The truth is kenya is unsafe for tourists and locals, hence a less attractive investment destination and only CS Internal security can ensure security.
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poundfoolish
#30 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:44:47 PM
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The GoK was warned a long time ago about the security situation in the country.
There is the warning of marking Mombasa as a no go zone for all tourists.
Next is reducing Nairobi as a 'no family' station for the embassy and related staff courtesy of the daring robberies in the upmarket areas (Runda, Karen) etc
Couple this with the stringent rules for any foreign businessmen setting up very high taxes and demands on starting a business in Kenya etc)

Just how much is the West investment in Kenya?
How much of it would China be willing to fill in?

We could just as well decide to throw them (the West) out and live like Sudan.
Nakwani? Si they are still living

I rest my case
MaichBlack
#31 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:59:46 PM
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sparkly wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
This fellows want us to shun China and the east in general!! What hypocrisy.

China's Largest Trading Partners

US owes China...

What the US owes China - Latest Figures

These countries lost the 'war' against China long time ago!!!


When we talk of China having USD 2Tn worth of US bonds, are we talking of the Chinese people through the gov or Chinese Corporations?


If the later, the reality is that the Chinese Corporations are actually subsidiaries and associates of American Multinationals like Apple, Microsoft, GE etc which cannot repatriate their overseas profits directly into the USA due to taxation. They buy gov debt all over the world instead of paying dividends to Shareholders.

The inclusion of caribbean banking centres in the list of top USA debt holders convinces me that the latter is the case.

The US owes the Chinese Government.

Link 1 January Figures.

Link 2
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pops
#32 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 5:05:56 PM
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the reality is that there is a real security threat out there which we do not have the security manpower to deal with. that is a fact. we cannot protect our own citizens let alone others. forget terrorism, our forces cannot even deal with the local thugs, while our cops are busy with debates on tinted windows! our security agencies are running around like headless chickens after every attack - no one knows who is doing what i.e. in the case of westgate attack. its time to face real issues and have real leadership. not to divert issues and blame the west. china and the west are here for their own gains and do not give a toss about our welfare.
murchr
#33 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 5:16:23 PM
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Security is a threat everywhere in the world. Are we saying that TZ is more secure than Kenya?
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alma
#34 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 5:23:22 PM
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So was Kenya engaging in economic sabotage when it removed its citizens when guys started having issues there?

And now are you going to add the UN to the list of westerners who hate Kenya?

They have issued their own advisory and telling people to keep off.

This economy will be in shambles if all that gov't hacks can think about is hating britain. The shilling dropped today and is expected to get to 88 by weekend. Reason, security concerns. Not britain.

Went to a business forum yesterday and I'm sorry to report to the usual suspects that no one is buying this rubbish. Everyone is in one voice saying the gov't needs to do what its supposed to do. Not blaming Raira, Britain, Wako, Kibaki or any new boogeyman they will come up with tommorow
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#35 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 5:25:38 PM
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pops wrote:
the reality is that there is a real security threat out there which we do not have the security manpower to deal with. that is a fact. we cannot protect our own citizens let alone others. forget terrorism, our forces cannot even deal with the local thugs, while our cops are busy with debates on tinted windows! our security agencies are running around like headless chickens after every attack - no one knows who is doing what i.e. in the case of westgate attack. its time to face real issues and have real leadership. not to divert issues and blame the west. china and the west are here for their own gains and do not give a toss about our welfare.


@pops, well said. kenya's internal security is wanting. carjackings and breakins are the order of the day. police are simply overwhelmed by local thugs so there is nothing they can do about international terrorists.

the recent set up of NGAO ,safcom, is a step i the right direction and results will take years to be seen. other measures eg reforming the internal security setup are still needed as we investigate who is setting up these bombs.
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accelriskconsult
#36 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 5:47:07 PM
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Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.

I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.

Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.

If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies.
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:46:01 AM
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My observation is that Britain & the rest of the Western powers likes championing projects centered around democracy n good governance. On face value they are well intended but my biggest concern is how to quantify them. China on the other hand is more infrastructure oriented with way less preconditions. With this sabotage issue, Britain is acting like a frog that prevents a cow from drinking water. They're not funding vision 2030 mega projects yet acting jilted when other countries offer us their money.
ps. I've no political inclinations.
murchr
#38 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:05:52 AM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.

I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.

Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.

If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies.



Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance
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accelriskconsult
#39 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:10:09 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
My observation is that Britain & the rest of the Western powers likes championing projects centered around democracy n good governance. On face value they are well intended but my biggest concern is how to quantify them. China on the other hand is more infrastructure oriented with way less preconditions. With this sabotage issue, Britain is acting like a frog that prevents a cow from drinking water. They're not funding vision 2030 mega projects yet acting jilted when other countries offer us their money.
ps. I've no political inclinations.



For the umpteenth time, I will ask for prove that the West is sabotaging Kenya's economy.

How do you expect tourists and foreign investors to trust the government and come over to Kenya when the messages the government and its sycophants are sending across are as follows;

1. The UK and US are jealous of the relationship between Kenya and China
2. The West is responsible for terror attacks
3. The opposition is responsible for terror attacks
4. The Al Shabaab is attacking us but we are winning the war on terror

The inconsistent messages are interpreted to mean that; a) the government and its sycophants do not know who the true enemy is and therefore cannot be possibly expected to protect any would be visitors
b) the government is seeking cheap sympathy instead of delivering public goods such as food and security.

Even before grenades started exploding every where and scaring tourists away, the government had already introduced VAT on park fees and its top honchos appeared to be protecting poachers. Now that is evidence of economic sabotage- by the government!




accelriskconsult
#40 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:14:52 AM
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murchr wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:
Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.

I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.

Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.

If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies.



Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance


What does it matter where I live?

Christopher Muchiri, You have been insinuating that there is a force unconnected to Al Shabaab that is responsible for terror attacks since last week, I have challenged you severally to be the patriot you claim to be and report at the nearest police station.

Of course you have not because you are just an apologist trying to deflect attention from a government that is fumbling, befuddled and failing in its core mandate.


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