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gatoho
#231 Posted : Monday, May 12, 2014 5:21:14 PM
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Location: kandara, Murang'a
Am no expert on this but I bought shares ON the 31st and got 9% on them. Or rather my div was 9% of my total. Plus Unaitas twitted me 9% of my holdings by Dec 31st. BGL I hold you as an authority on this but this time I think you are wrong
Foresight..
pleasecallme
#232 Posted : Monday, May 12, 2014 5:45:26 PM
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Lots fireworks but I finally got the answer. gracias wazuans
You kill bird...bird dead snake come.
pleasecallme
#233 Posted : Monday, May 12, 2014 5:46:37 PM
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Murang'a wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Murang'a wrote:
BGL wrote:
guru267 wrote:
BGL wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Share capital as at 31 Dec 2013 = 692,570,359
Proposed dividend as at same date = 61,826,149 (9%)

Someone explain to me how this will be pro rated because I don't get it??





Mme guru267 you are VERY wrong! I have been on this thing since 2010.
To prove it i will (if you want) send you financial statements from 2009 and you can explain the variance between the calculated dividends and the paid dividend. This variance is brought about by the prorating that i am talking about it. To begin with in 2013: this 9% you are quoting has a variance of 505,183 as a result of pro ration

If someone wants these financial statements put email here and do your calculations.
FYI it is only on 2011 when UNAITAS was under investigation from CMA that the calculated dividend was equal to the paid amount

here are my calculations
year * share cap * 9% * proposed * variance
2013* 692570359 * 62331332 * 61826149* 505,183
2012* 404249805 * 36382482 * 31624690* 4,775,792
2011* 233080592 * 20977253 * 20977253* Nil
2010* 176475431 * 15882789 * 14118034* 1,764,755
2009* 107223076 * 9650077 * 8577846 * 1,072,231




Story mingi and still no explanation on HOW the pro rating is done!

I guess ill just wait for my dividend cheque and see...


Dividends have been PAID but if you are waiting for a dividend cheque you will wait for eternity. The dividend is in your dividend account and can be accessed from any UNAITAS branch in Kenya.

Back to pro rating and how it is done.
The opening balance (i guess you know what this means)....what you hold as at jan 01 earns full dividend which in our case is 9%

For the payments made during the year
The formula is Amount invested*9%*([12-x]/12)
x = month you invested

An Example: Lets assume Mme Guru and M. Bgl Inc both had 1Mn worth of shares by 31/12/2012.They both add 150,000 worth of shares in different times with Mme Guru investing in March and M. Bgl investing in Sept.
While both will have 1.15million shares as at 31/12/2013
Mme Guru will earn more dividend (100,125) compared to M.Bgl (93,375)

@ BGL please confirm if what you are saying is true.
I have already called two guys who work in the sacco and they have confirmed dividends are paid the same way as NSE listed companies do.
I highly doubt they are wrong because I have been depositing cash irregularly since 2011 and I always countercheck my dividends.


Merçi Applause

Bienvenue


I guess the right word should have been 'de rien'. Bienvenue is welcoming a guest or someone on arrival.
You kill bird...bird dead snake come.
Murang'a
#234 Posted : Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:59:11 PM
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Joined: 3/3/2014
Posts: 131
pleasecallme wrote:
Murang'a wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Murang'a wrote:
BGL wrote:
guru267 wrote:
BGL wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Share capital as at 31 Dec 2013 = 692,570,359
Proposed dividend as at same date = 61,826,149 (9%)

Someone explain to me how this will be pro rated because I don't get it??





Mme guru267 you are VERY wrong! I have been on this thing since 2010.
To prove it i will (if you want) send you financial statements from 2009 and you can explain the variance between the calculated dividends and the paid dividend. This variance is brought about by the prorating that i am talking about it. To begin with in 2013: this 9% you are quoting has a variance of 505,183 as a result of pro ration

If someone wants these financial statements put email here and do your calculations.
FYI it is only on 2011 when UNAITAS was under investigation from CMA that the calculated dividend was equal to the paid amount

here are my calculations
year * share cap * 9% * proposed * variance
2013* 692570359 * 62331332 * 61826149* 505,183
2012* 404249805 * 36382482 * 31624690* 4,775,792
2011* 233080592 * 20977253 * 20977253* Nil
2010* 176475431 * 15882789 * 14118034* 1,764,755
2009* 107223076 * 9650077 * 8577846 * 1,072,231




Story mingi and still no explanation on HOW the pro rating is done!

I guess ill just wait for my dividend cheque and see...


Dividends have been PAID but if you are waiting for a dividend cheque you will wait for eternity. The dividend is in your dividend account and can be accessed from any UNAITAS branch in Kenya.

Back to pro rating and how it is done.
The opening balance (i guess you know what this means)....what you hold as at jan 01 earns full dividend which in our case is 9%

For the payments made during the year
The formula is Amount invested*9%*([12-x]/12)
x = month you invested

An Example: Lets assume Mme Guru and M. Bgl Inc both had 1Mn worth of shares by 31/12/2012.They both add 150,000 worth of shares in different times with Mme Guru investing in March and M. Bgl investing in Sept.
While both will have 1.15million shares as at 31/12/2013
Mme Guru will earn more dividend (100,125) compared to M.Bgl (93,375)

@ BGL please confirm if what you are saying is true.
I have already called two guys who work in the sacco and they have confirmed dividends are paid the same way as NSE listed companies do.
I highly doubt they are wrong because I have been depositing cash irregularly since 2011 and I always countercheck my dividends.


Merçi Applause

Bienvenue


I guess the right word should have been 'de rien'. Bienvenue is welcoming a guest or someone on arrival.

Thanks for helping me polish up on my shabby french
IMITATION IS LIMITATION
gatoho
#235 Posted : Friday, May 23, 2014 12:49:18 AM
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Posts: 518
Location: kandara, Murang'a
I thought the march was towards 100k shares, the suddenly its 500k.. if only I had more mulla..
Foresight..
Murang'a
#236 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:35:20 AM
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Posts: 131
Btw, are all the banks charging for ATM upgrading coz this guys are charging and that is not fair coz that is double payment since we had already paid for the old one
IMITATION IS LIMITATION
bird_man
#237 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:37:50 AM
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Posts: 1,206
Location: Nairobi
Murang'a wrote:
Btw, are all the banks charging for ATM upgrading coz this guys are charging and that is not fair coz that is double payment since we had already paid for the old one

Its for your own safety dude.Its just about 500-600sh.
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
Othelo
#238 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:41:41 AM
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Joined: 1/20/2014
Posts: 3,528
bird_man wrote:
Murang'a wrote:
Btw, are all the banks charging for ATM upgrading coz this guys are charging and that is not fair coz that is double payment since we had already paid for the old one

Its for your own safety dude.Its just about 500-600sh.


I have the same problem with coop bank renewing a card in feb with a charge and canceling it in april and issueing another with a charge .... impunity !
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
Murang'a
#239 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:16:25 PM
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Joined: 3/3/2014
Posts: 131
Othelo wrote:
bird_man wrote:
[quote=Murang'a]Btw, are all the banks charging for ATM upgrading coz this guys are charging and that is not fair coz that is double payment since we had already paid for the old one

Its for your own safety dude.Its just about 500-600sh.


it looks kidogo if its something you had authorised but when its done without my consent ni mingi.Next I might find another charge and they will tell me its for additional security in ATMs( if at all they are doing it for my safety)
I dont think KCB are charging for the same.
IMITATION IS LIMITATION
Kastone
#240 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:21:42 PM
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Joined: 3/1/2014
Posts: 82
Hey Members,

This is my first post on Wazua.

Just seen that UNAITAS is past the 1 billion mark now and is currently at 1.3 bn. They've now extended to 1.8 billion then probably close the shares sale.

Link
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