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Faulu Kenya Loans 12%PA
mawinder
#31 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 7:03:49 AM
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jerry wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Faulu is now the cheapest lender in Kenya at 9.5% interest per annum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give an example! Amount, repayment period, payment per month, insurance, t&c...

Just saw the advert in the papers,as for example I dont have any.
kaka2za
#32 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 8:05:52 AM
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Flat rate is very costly especially for long periods. It means that you will be interest on the original amount even when the balance is 10/-
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jerry
#33 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 11:00:42 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
Flat rate is very costly especially for long periods. It means that you will be interest on the original amount even when the balance is 10/-

I thought if it's flat rate eg 400k @9.5% pa interest will be 400,000*9.5% for 1st yr, 300,000*9.5% for 2nd yr, 200,000*9.5% for 3rd yr and 100,000*9.5% for 4th yr? This works out to (400,000+300,000+200,000+100,000)*9.5% equal to 1,000,000/=*9.5% i.e. 95,000/=.
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bird_man
#34 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 11:33:41 AM
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jerry wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Flat rate is very costly especially for long periods. It means that you will be interest on the original amount even when the balance is 10/-

I thought if it's flat rate eg 400k @9.5% pa interest will be 400,000*9.5% for 1st yr, 300,000*9.5% for 2nd yr, 200,000*9.5% for 3rd yr and 100,000*9.5% for 4th yr? This works out to (400,000+300,000+200,000+100,000)*9.5% equal to 1,000,000/=*9.5% i.e. 95,000/=.


Flat Rate(Simple Interest) will be:
1st Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
2nd Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
3rd Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
4th Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
Total Interest=152K/48months=3,166sh interest/month

Reducing Balance:
1st Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
2nd Yr 313K*9.5%=29,700sh
3rd Yr 218K*9.5%=20,700sh
4th Yr 114K*9.5%=10,800sh
Total Interest=99.2K/48months=2,066sh interest/month

Compound Interest:
1st Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
2nd Yr 438K*9.5%=42,000sh
3rd Yr 480K*9.5%=46,000sh
4th Yr 526K*9.5%=50,000sh
Total Interest=176K/48months=3,666sh interest/month

We have just used an example of 400K & a term of 4yrs & a rate of 9.5%.If you do the same math for a 4Million loan with a term of 6yrs & a rate of 12%....you will be shocked!But,most customers never do this math...some don't care as long as they look at the "interest %age figure".The devil is in the detail (formula).
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Gathige
#35 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 11:40:43 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
Flat rate is very costly especially for long periods. It means that you will be interest on the original amount even when the balance is 10/-



Whenever you see flat rate, RUN. Its the most expensive interest rate ever and is used to play on peoples psychology that its cheap but expensive. Even the term is fixed e.g 5 yrs and you will pay the interest for 5 yrs even if you repay the loan in one month!
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bird_man
#36 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 11:46:24 AM
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Gathige wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Flat rate is very costly especially for long periods. It means that you will be interest on the original amount even when the balance is 10/-



Whenever you see flat rate, RUN. Its the most expensive interest rate ever and is used to play on peoples psychology that its cheap but expensive. Even the term is fixed e.g 5 yrs and you will pay the interest for 5 yrs even if you repay the loan in one month!


@Gathige....true!Compound is even worse!Allows you to quote a very low interest rate e.g 12% only for the interest to be equivalent to 23-24% compared to a reducing balance loan.
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jerry
#37 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 1:59:45 PM
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bird_man wrote:
Gathige wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Flat rate is very costly especially for long periods. It means that you will be interest on the original amount even when the balance is 10/-



Whenever you see flat rate, RUN. Its the most expensive interest rate ever and is used to play on peoples psychology that its cheap but expensive. Even the term is fixed e.g 5 yrs and you will pay the interest for 5 yrs even if you repay the loan in one month!


@Gathige....true!Compound is even worse!Allows you to quote a very low interest rate e.g 12% only for the interest to be equivalent to 23-24% compared to a reducing balance loan.

Does it mean there are/is no monthly reducing balance interest rates?
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zizzi
#38 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 3:08:26 PM
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So flat rate is akin to an interest only bond with a bullet paymemt,
reducing balance is equivalent to a standard loan, and
compound interest is akin to a zero coupon bond, correct?

Would you know if Faulu engages in either Interest Only or Zero Coupon loans?

Thx!

bird_man wrote:
jerry wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Flat rate is very costly especially for long periods. It means that you will be interest on the original amount even when the balance is 10/-

I thought if it's flat rate eg 400k @9.5% pa interest will be 400,000*9.5% for 1st yr, 300,000*9.5% for 2nd yr, 200,000*9.5% for 3rd yr and 100,000*9.5% for 4th yr? This works out to (400,000+300,000+200,000+100,000)*9.5% equal to 1,000,000/=*9.5% i.e. 95,000/=.


Flat Rate(Simple Interest) will be:
1st Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
2nd Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
3rd Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
4th Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
Total Interest=152K/48months=3,166sh interest/month

Reducing Balance:
1st Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
2nd Yr 313K*9.5%=29,700sh
3rd Yr 218K*9.5%=20,700sh
4th Yr 114K*9.5%=10,800sh
Total Interest=99.2K/48months=2,066sh interest/month

Compound Interest:
1st Yr 400K*9.5%=38,000sh
2nd Yr 438K*9.5%=42,000sh
3rd Yr 480K*9.5%=46,000sh
4th Yr 526K*9.5%=50,000sh
Total Interest=176K/48months=3,666sh interest/month

We have just used an example of 400K & a term of 4yrs & a rate of 9.5%.If you do the same math for a 4Million loan with a term of 6yrs & a rate of 12%....you will be shocked!But,most customers never do this math...some don't care as long as they look at the "interest %age figure".The devil is in the detail (formula).

Ngong
#39 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:06:04 PM
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They use flat rate,that is total interest divided by period.
bird_man
#40 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:45:51 PM
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Ngong wrote:
They use flat rate,that is total interest divided by period.


I highly highly doubt that.If it was flat rate it would still need to be higher than 9.5% otherwise you cannot give 12% on deposits.
This can only be compound interest!But anyway,the surest way to test is by someone giving their loan amount & the amount they are paying.From that we can get the real thing instead of relying on marketers.
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