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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Kibunda wrote:[quote=tycho]@Kibunda, I understand that you are saying, 'Free time is that not engaged in being employed, or employing others'. Am I right?[/quotenwzB
thats not what I said, but lets assume it is. Whats your point? If it is, then you are a slave indeed. I see you even want us to speak about words and meanings not intended and acted. You derive pleasure from dissipation and time wastage. Like killing yourself softly.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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ORAIT. Now the focus is on Jesus Christ? Old Testament's praises and Worship, umetupa nje? ISOKEI, we can play that game. Jesus Christ sang unto God(Praise and Worship) in the following verses 1. Matthew 26:30, Mark 14:26 2. Hebrews 2:12 3. Romans 15:9 And for your info, a Christian doesn't need to go to Church to Praise and Worship. The Bible tells us to pray ALL the time, to meditate on the Word of God. Everywhere, anywhere, anytime, everytime is Praise and Worship time So, why did you convert from being a Christian into being a Muslim? And as a Christian were you this passionate?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 399 Location: Where everyone knows you
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So, why did you convert from being a Christian into being a Muslim? And as a Christian were you this passionate?
I notice that people who convert from one religion to another are always MUCH more passionate about their new religion. I suppose that is because they saw something in the new religion, that their old religion lacked. Therefore they become passionate about their choice and defend their decision to the hilt.
I bet that normal Muslims, while being true to there religious beliefs, are not as openly passionate as for example AlphDoti.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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MatataMingi wrote:So, why did you convert from being a Christian into being a Muslim? And as a Christian were you this passionate?
I notice that people who convert from one religion to another are always MUCH more passionate about their new religion. I suppose that is because they saw something in the new religion, that their old religion lacked. Therefore they become passionate about their choice and defend their decision to the hilt.
I bet that normal Muslims, while being true to there religious beliefs, are not as openly passionate as for example AlphDoti. True. But I've always wondered, is the passion about fulfilling a spiritual void or a cover-up for a greater need? eg It's easy to spot new money... bling, flashy cars clothes etc and alot of noise-making, but old money is almost nondescript. Is all the hullabaloo a way of asking for acceptance? Going the extra mile for favors/recognition? (I know Wazua, from its owners, is more Islamic than anything else) A form of low self esteem?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Wewe cheka tu By the way @Alph, does Islam have Praise-and-worship? Like Choirs, songs etc @mukiri there is not praise and worship in Islam. Yesu alienda kanisa kuimba? You will realize that Jesus (peace be upon him) never sang songs of praises to God in synagogue (in swahili msikiti). David (peace be upon him) pekee ndiye aliruhusiwa kuimba. Amos (peace be upon him) alikuja kuondoa mambo ya kuimbia Mwenyezi Mungu. Amos 5:23 - Niondoleeni kelele za nyimbo zenu! Sitasikiliza sauti za vinubi vyenu Amos 6:5 - Ninyi mnaopigapiga vinanda ovyo kwa nguvu na kujifanya wapiga vinubi kama mfalme Daudi huku mkitunga nyimbo papo hapo. Ezekiel 26:13 - Nitakomesha kelele za nyimbo zako, na uimbaji wako wa kinubi kamwe hautasikika tena. Quran 8:35 says: Their prayer at the House (of Allah. is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands: (Its only answer can be), "Taste ye the penalty because ye blasphemed."This is our song in Islam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNl_mnt2N-o#t=12
A khutba inside the masjid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbSa-cpA9uc#t=258
Another khutbah or discussion inside the mosque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-1IwL2Ac5w#t=11
A glimpse of women on the women side of the mosque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3MxjmthbY[/quote] ORAIT. Now the focus is on Jesus Christ? Old Testament's praises and Worship, umetupa nje? ISOKEI, we can play that game. Jesus Christ sang unto God(Praise and Worship) in the following verses 1. Matthew 26:30, Mark 14:26 2. Hebrews 2:12 3. Romans 15:9 And for your info, a Christian doesn't need to go to Church to Praise and Worship. The Bible tells us to pray ALL the time, to meditate on the Word of God. Everywhere, anywhere, anytime, everytime is Praise and Worship time So, why did you convert from being a Christian into being a Muslim? And as a Christian were you this passionate The prophets that came before Jesus (a.s) abolished singing. When Jesus (a.s) came he said don't think that I've come to abolish the law that came before him but to follow. It's paul who is telling the Hebrews to sing, he is telling the Romans to sing. So why the contradiction? And by the way, which music does God like? Rap or blues or reggae or what? Ans what does Jesus (p.b.u.h) say in Matthew 6:5-6? thou shalt not pray as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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MatataMingi wrote:So, why did you convert from being a Christian into being a Muslim? And as a Christian were you this passionate?
I notice that people who convert from one religion to another are always MUCH more passionate about their new religion. I suppose that is because they saw something in the new religion, that their old religion lacked. Therefore they become passionate about their choice and defend their decision to the hilt.
I bet that normal Muslims, while being true to there religious beliefs, are not as openly passionate as for example AlphDoti. @MatataMingi why did I convert from Christianity to Islam? There were a number of things that started disturbing my conscience: - God says "I'm ONE GOD worship no other" in commandment no.1, but the church teaches three gods - Jesus (a.s) stressed that "Hear O Israel the Lord our God is ONE", but the church teaches that Jesus himself is God. - Jesus (a.s) fell on his face and prayed to God. Like Muslims do  - When Jesus (a.s) prayed, was he praying to himself? Of course not. - Jesus (a.s) says love your God with all your heart, mind and body. How come again the church compose songs such as " unastahili kuabudiwa, unastahili ee Yesu". Did he ask anyone to worship him? No of course - Jesus (a.s.) says if you want to go to heaven, follow the law. He didn't say wait for me to die on the cross. - God says in the second commandment "don't make mould, carve, draw images of anything in heaven, air, in water or earth", but in the church you find all sorts of images and idols - etc All these made me feel sick in the heart every time I went to church. When I researched other religions, I read about Islam, and I was amazed at purity of faith. There is one amazing verse, where God describes His attributes: Chapter 112:1-4 In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful . 1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4. And there is none like unto Him. This is the purity of faith. If you compare this to a God who walks on Earth, with footsteps heard like that of another fellow man walking, you wonder how can God walk on surface of this tiny earth!!! Our earth is not even visible in the Galaxy, can you imagine God walking on some path on earth!!! 
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 399 Location: Where everyone knows you
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Fair enough AlphDoti.
If you are happy with your choice GOOD.
Unfortunately, I am not into any religion.
I believe in GOD, and would go into a mosque, church or temple.
I think Islam is a very pure religion that actually is a way of life. I like that and have no issues with it.
My only problem is that some radical Imams have suddenly appeared teaching hatred for other religions. These guys have to be stopped, as what they preach is not Islam.
Would you agree with me on this.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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MatataMingi wrote:Fair enough AlphDoti.
If you are happy with your choice GOOD.
Unfortunately, I am not into any religion.
I believe in GOD, and would go into a mosque, church or temple.
I think Islam is a very pure religion that actually is a way of life. I like that and have no issues with it.
My only problem is that some radical Imams have suddenly appeared teaching hatred for other religions. These guys have to be stopped, as what they preach is not Islam.
Would you agree with me on this. @MatataMingi I agree with you. Actually Islam is society of truthfulness, honesty, justice, sincerity, uprightness, no slandering (even provoked like @mawinder does), no rudeness, righteousness. In fact the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) gave his last powerful sermon where he said: no superiority over people, race, colour, tribe etc. He said the best of you is the best in conduct. Read it hereWe are taught to be moderate in everything. We don't attack prophets and messengers of God, we don't worship them, but we took their message and believed in the message. Islam teaches about responsibility. Father over a home, mother over children etc It teaches morality. You see nowadays the society take the wrong as right, and the right as wrong. what was abomination 50 years ago is now right. Maybe in the next 50 years, it will become right again. But in Islam our guidance is from Allah. In Islam there is no tribe, racism, we are all brother. Even is a King or ambassador or president comes to the mosque, he will line up shoulder to shoulder with a hawker. We uphold prayer, 5 times a day we remind ourselves about our creator. And this is the best form of worship!
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