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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/14/2010 Posts: 521 Location: Nairobi
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slowandsteady wrote: Hi there fellow wazuans.
Pleasant surprise for me today. Logged into my online nse account and realised that my portfolio has hit the eight figure mark while i was busy living life. Wanted to share this happy milestone with my fellow wazuans as you have all been instrumental in keeping me firmly in the market through bulls and bears. I am no expert in analysing shares so i have benefitted from reading share analyses from the experts in this forum although i do have a much longer perspective so daily stock movements dont bother me much. All said and done, my final target figure is much higher than eight figures so the journey continues. I know many wazuans have much bigger portfolios and others with more modest portfolios but we are all in the same game. For those who may be wondering, this is all from savings from salary so proof that its doable. Hope i dont come off as bragging. My intention was to share this milestone that has been many years in the making and still keep it anonymous.
PS. Long time wazua member but posting with a new username for obvious reasons.
If Wazua could add another rank, It would be good to have a Hero rank for you. You have strengthened my hope of hitting the bull's eye with persistent investing.Congratulations.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 27
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Congrats @slowandsteady for the milestone. I've been in stocks(as a layman) for 7yrs but joined wazua very recently. This forum beats the classroom hands down. I know guys with CFA and other related courses but cant beat wazuans in this game.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2014 Posts: 386 Location: Denmark
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congratulations in order to you @slowandsteady.. Great encouragement there,, looking forward to fatten my portfolio to 8+ figures in Jesus name, Amen.. Seeing is believing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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My thoughts: If you have made good money in this stock market it is time to move aside i.e sell all your portfolio, realize you gain and then hold onto the cash. If I am not wrong by next week some people will be crying. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/10/2006 Posts: 201 Location: Nairobi
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@ mnandii I don't necessarily agree with your sentiments. Global stocks will fall but they will rise again, so for me I will keep on adding no matter how bad the outlook is....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,460
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mnandii wrote:My thoughts: If you have made good money in this stock market it is time to move aside i.e sell all your portfolio, realize you gain and then hold onto the cash.
If I am not wrong by next week some people will be crying. You don't get it @mnadii, do you??? He got there by not selling!!! Some fellows just engage zero sum business - and they are the busiest. Sell at 10% profit, buy, sell at 10% loss, buy, sell at 20% loss, buy, sell at 20% loss,..... Net profit/loss = 0%. How does Warren Buffet operate? He's on record as saying, "Our preferred holding time [for any stock] is FOREVER!!!". Always ask yourself "Why did I buy this stock? Are those reasons still valid?". If your answer is yes, keep holding. If it is no (some drastic has happened/changed) you can sell. Home work:
@mnadii (Others can help). Check at how much the people who bought Equity Bank shares(before listing - or even after listing [two answers here]) bought them at. Now do the math (include bonus & splits) and see how much (if they are still holding the stock) they have multiplied their money by. 10,000/= invested then is worth how much now. Repeat the above for Apple!!! Post answers here!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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You're all right. It only depends on your sources of income and intended use of the gains. There're people who survive on this small % gains, those who take the gains and put somewhere else and put those with surpluses (savings) for future yrs (>10) who enjoy seeing huge portfolios. choose yours. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Hello Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 5
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@mnandii, your sentiments are appreciated but over the years i have found that if you follow the wisdom of the Sage of Omaha you will not go very wrong in this investing business. I will try and share some of the vital lessons i have learnt over time but for now i will share some of my favorite quotes from Mr. Buffett. 1. In investing, returns decrease as motion increases (Lesson: keep the buying/selling to a minimum. I have bought shares every month and sold only once in 7years) 2. Our favorite holding period is forever (i would say me too) 3. “Your goal as an investor should simply be to purchase, at a rational price, a part interest in an easily-understandable business whose earnings are virtually certain to be materially higher five, ten and twenty years from now. Over time, you will find only a few companies that meet these standards – so when you see one that qualifies, you should buy a meaningful amount of stock. You must also resist the temptation to stray from your guidelines: If you aren’t willing to own a stock for ten years, don’t even think about owning it for ten minutes. Put together a portfolio of companies whose aggregate earnings march upward over the years, and so also will the portfolio’s market value.” (Lesson: be prepared for the long haul and ignore all predictions of doom) 4. “Over the long term, the stock market news will be good. In the 20th century, the United States endured two world wars and other traumatic and expensive military conflicts; the Depression; a dozen or so recessions and financial panics; oil shocks; a flu epidemic; and the resignation of a disgraced president. Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.” (Lesson: there will always be something to be worried about but stay invested anyway)
And finally, as they say "its the time in the market, not timing the market" that will determine if you win or lose in this business of investing. I intentionally left out the greedy when others are feasrful quote because i know thats class one knowledge to the folks on this forum.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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mnandii wrote:My thoughts: If you have made good money in this stock market it is time to move aside i.e sell all your portfolio, realize you gain and then hold onto the cash.
If I am not wrong by next week some people will be crying. @mnandii, Don't believe too much of that Elliot Wave of yours. It's been a month since you started predicting doom and gloom. As i said in that other thread, "Correction,,,yes. Crazy lows of 3900 on the index,,,,, highly unlikely".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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@slowsteady, congrats on your portfolio. However my long experience at the NSE has taught me that Buffet's ways do not necessarily work on this market. At the NSE the best advise is to think long term and act short term,this market can shock you with losses and gains. I have played around with Kengen from its IPO buying low selling high to move to top 500 shareholders. The price is now below the IPO price, I would have gained very little by just holding for long term.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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I have never been for this very long term strategies. If an opportunity comes up for fast money, why not take it? A good example is that of KenGen. I am not saying people should play the @Metaspolit game of speculation, but, 50% increase is much sweeter in 3 months than holding on to a stock for 5 years and still get that 50% or slightly more. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 985 Location: Dar es salaam,Tanzania
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dunkang wrote:I have never been for this very long term strategies.
If an opportunity comes up for fast money, why not take it? A good example is that of KenGen. I am not saying people should play the @Metaspolit game of speculation, but, 50% increase is much sweeter in 3 months than holding on to a stock for 5 years and still get that 50% or slightly more. I am never a speculator..will never be one.I play my strategy and it works for me! Everybody has got his strategy..at the end of the day we are here to make a living “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 985 Location: Dar es salaam,Tanzania
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BTW,Speculation is a totally different game..you move in coz of an anticipated move in the market,anticipated material announcement,anticipated performance,future news etc etc or you jump in when the market moves WITHOUT ANY FUNDAMENTALS OR TA. The consequence is that you lose 50% and/or gain 50%. I dont do any of this..I move in just before the market is about to move(after lots of analysis),i buy at dips and sale at highs on volatility (when pullbacks are more than 8%) otherwise in a normal market i will stay put. Consequence is i gain > 90% of the time. Plus i trade on a relatively good amount of money. “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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sizzla wrote:@ mnandii I don't necessarily agree with your sentiments. Global stocks will fall but they will rise again, so for me I will keep on adding no matter how bad the outlook is.... Good. Different people emply different strategies to analyse the market. In the long run ( 2-3 yrs) you should be vindicated. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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MaichBlack wrote:mnandii wrote:My thoughts: If you have made good money in this stock market it is time to move aside i.e sell all your portfolio, realize you gain and then hold onto the cash.
If I am not wrong by next week some people will be crying. You don't get it @mnadii, do you??? He got there by not selling!!! Some fellows just engage zero sum business - and they are the busiest. Sell at 10% profit, buy, sell at 10% loss, buy, sell at 20% loss, buy, sell at 20% loss,..... Net profit/loss = 0%. How does Warren Buffet operate? He's on record as saying, "Our preferred holding time [for any stock] is FOREVER!!!". Always ask yourself "Why did I buy this stock? Are those reasons still valid?". If your answer is yes, keep holding. If it is no (some drastic has happened/changed) you can sell. Home work:
@mnadii (Others can help). Check at how much the people who bought Equity Bank shares(before listing - or even after listing [two answers here]) bought them at. Now do the math (include bonus & splits) and see how much (if they are still holding the stock) they have multiplied their money by. 10,000/= invested then is worth how much now. Repeat the above for Apple!!! Post answers here!!! @ Maich. You are actually right on the various issues you have commented on. However, there is no denying that some corrections in the market tend to be large while others are small. My little analysis is what has brought to my conclusion that the correction expected in this market and worldwide should be a huge one. Still there is possibility that however BIG the correction may be, some portfolios may not be affected much. People who constantly get in and out of the market may be persuaded by my analysis. But an investor who looks to the long term ( buy and forget) 'need not worry too much'. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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I am studying Austrian economics and it has very interesting take on our current situation. Let me contribute the little I have gathered so far. The route cause of our 'problems' is the interference in the free market economy by actors such as the state through a central bank. What a central bank does is to distort the market from an equilibrium position. You see, the policy that a CB persues may be one of two: a stable price level (hence the constant preoccupation with CPI, for example) OR a stable purchasing power of money. So when a CB 'sees' that prices are rising or falling beyond a certain threshold it intervenes in the market by, e.g. raising or lowering the interest rate. The goal here is that the price level or the purchasing power of money should remain constant to eternity. The Austrian School finds this fallacious. In a free market, when prices rise or fall, they do so in response to supply and demand forces which in turn lead to an equilibrium price. The housing market in the US is a good example. Whenever the prices of houses were falling the FED intervened to keep it from falling. So artificial prices for houses were maintained until at some point the CB becomes overwhelmed and prices fall with or without intervention. The belief that falling prices are bad is a wrong belief. An entrepreneur will invest if he/she perceives imbalances btw the price of capital goods and the price of the finished product. i.e. If even in a situation where all prices are falling, some categories will fall much faster than others. So if the price of capital goods have fallen faster than the price of the finished item, it follows that the investor will still make money. A good example is the PC market. Years ago a mainframe computer cost many multiples more than the price of laptop today. Yet the laptop is much faster and more efficient than the mainframe. Also note that the number of computers shipped today are many multiples more than were shipped at any time back in e.g 1980s. So the price of a computer fell yet the manufactures still manage to make profits in today's market. The lesson here is that falling prices is not necessarily a bad thing warranting intervention by a Central Bank. In fact, what should happen in a free market is that investors will find more efficient and technologically superior ways to manufacture items at a much reduced cost and still maintain their level of profitability. In the case of the US, since more houses were being built (hence more supply) the house prices should have been left to fall till an equilibrium price is reached. True, some people in the building industry could have lost jobs and the like, but the end result would have been a more efficient market i.e the workers would have gone to other industries where their labour would have been better utilised. So, interference in the market causes distortions that lead to malinvestment and hence booms and burst. In another thread a wazuan had challenged me that 'booms and bursts' are merely theories on shaky foundation. I think this should be a better explanation of why they do in fact happen. For more on the Austrian School of thought visit www.mises.orgConventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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mkonomtupu wrote:@slowsteady, congrats on your portfolio. However my long experience at the NSE has taught me that Buffet's ways do not necessarily work on this market. At the NSE the best advise is to think long term and act short term,this market can shock you with losses and gains. I have played around with Kengen from its IPO buying low selling high to move to top 500 shareholders. The price is now below the IPO price, I would have gained very little by just holding for long term. True. In a bull market almost everyone will make money because it does not require much on the part of the investor i.e almost any stock you pick will rise in price. Contrast that to a bear market and you begin to understand more. When gold price was rising ppl were predicting 5000, 10000 dollars and many more crazy figures. And funny enough, even Central Banks were buying in anticipation of rising prices. But, alas, gold did not even reach 2000! Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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Quote:...In the language of modern monetary theory, Turgot is arguing in this passage that money is “nonneutral” and that every injection of new money into the economy is inevitably accompanied by “distribution effects” or redistributions of income and wealth among individual economic agents. This insight of Turgot’s is the starting point of the tradition of monetary process analysis which eventually culminated in the development of the Austrian theory of the business cycle. One of the most important implications of this theory is that any attempt by central banks to stabilize prices by adding to the quantity of money through the expansion of commercial bank reserves and business loans will invariably cause distortions of interest rates and relative prices, malinvestment of capital, and, ultimately, economywide recession or depression. Money, Sound and Unsound, Joseph T. Salerno Pg 37 Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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