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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Jesus also likened himself to Moses' bronze snake which was lifeless at the beginning and at the end. Does that mean that Jesus was dead before during and after the crucifixion? I think you are aiming at scoring irrelevant points. There is no mention/implication of the state of Jesus during that session in the portion of scripture quoted. I will go to church like you will go to the mosque. Does that mean that I will be facing mecca like you do, inciting people to terorism like you do, and reading the quran like you do?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Jesus also likened himself to Moses' bronze snake which was lifeless at the beginning and at the end. Does that mean that Jesus was dead before during and after the crucifixion? I think you are aiming at scoring irrelevant points. There is no mention/implication of the state of Jesus during that session in the portion of scripture quoted. I will go to church like you will go to the mosque. Does that mean that I will be facing mecca like you do, inciting people to terorism like you do, and reading the quran like you do? @loloest! don't loose focus, based on the verses I quoted, I'm asking Jonah is alive, Jesus is dead, is that LIKE Jonah or UNLIKE Jonah. Simple as that sir. I hope you are afraid to answer that question
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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I have answered you. In that last part. You just don't like that answer coz it challenges what they teach you.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:I have answered you. In that last part. You just don't like that answer coz it challenges what they teach you. Where have you answered? You just diverted attention to Moses' bronze snake, are we talking about the bronze snake? We are talking about Jesus' words, saying as Jonah was, so will the son of man. Now, based on that verse, we see that Jonah is alive, Jesus is dead, I'm asking is that LIKE Jonah or UNLIKE Jonah. Can you answer that?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:So now According to you and me, Jonah (a.s) was ALIVE, ALIVE, ALIVE for three days and three nights.
But when I ask the Christians how was Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) in the sepulcher, dead or alive? They say he was dead!
According to your church, Jesus (a.s) was DEAD, DEAD, DEAD for three days and three nights!
I'm asking you, the English man please sir/madam tell me in your language, Jonah is alive, Jesus is dead, is that LIKE Jonah or UNLIKE Jonah in your language.
definition of like
(a). conjunctioninformal
in the same way that; as.
"people who change countries like they change clothes"
(b). adjective
(of a person or thing) having similar qualities or characteristics to another person or thing.
"I responded in like manner"
synonyms: similar, much the same, comparable, corresponding, resembling, alike, analogous, parallel, equivalent, cognate, related, kindred; The fallacy continues, and this time you claim all are in agreement. But here's what. 1. Either Jonah breathed like all humans would do, or in his life in the belly he was not Jonah the man, but the man fish or some other transformation. 2. If Jonah the man wasn't the same as Jonah the man fish, then the life isn't human life, and is equal to death. 3. If one was to liken Jesus to Jonah then evidently he'd have to contend that the former was not buried in the belly of a fish, hence arguments for a strict analogy bordering on equality and similarity aren't tenable. 4. Generally, 'analogy' doesn't imply 'equality' or 'similarity' in All respects under comparison but 'some' similarity. So to me at least, you are trying to force a conclusion that has no basis, in order to reinforce your belief.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@imam, i think you have completely blocked your understanding faculty. See the last part of my reply. Nothing to do with the snake. But @ tycho's 3rd point puts it better than anyone else would. Read it and re-read it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Quote:“the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights” (Jonah 1:17). Having repented and prayed to God from inside the whale, “the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land” (Jonah 2:10).
“An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” (Matt. 12:38-40)
1. There is hardly any similarity between the two events, yet there are clear and fundamental differences. Indeed, drawing similarity between the two disappearances is rather meaningless.
2.Jesus is not simply likening his burial to the disappearance of Jonah in the belly of the whale, but he is also emphasizing the duration of his death, making it clear that it is three days and three nights, like Jonah’s. The problem is that Jesus did not actually stay that long in the tomb. The Synoptists agree that he died just after 3 pm (Mark 15:33-37; Matt. 27:45-50; Luke 23:44-46). John does not tell us the time of Jesus’ death on the cross, but it must have happened after midday when he was handed over to be executed. All four Gospels also agree that Jesus had already risen from the dead by the early morning of the Sunday that followed the Friday of the crucifixion (Mark 16:1; Matt. 28:1; Luke 24:1; John 20:1). 2. Jesus’ alleged miracle was his resurrection from death. This miracle would not become more impressive if Jesus had stayed, say, 10 days in the tomb or less impressive if he had spent only one night. The reported miracle is simply one of resurrection from death. Conversely, the miraculous aspect of Jonah’s experience is his survival inside the whale for three days and nights. Inside the tomb Jesus did not experience any miracle; he was dead like all the dead.The Interpretation of scripture through the canal mind is what leads to cults
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:I have answered you. In that last part. You just don't like that answer coz it challenges what they teach you. Where have you answered? You just diverted attention to Moses' bronze snake, are we talking about the bronze snake? We are talking about Jesus' words, saying as Jonah was, so will the son of man. Now, based on that verse, we see that Jonah is alive, Jesus is dead, I'm asking is that LIKE Jonah or UNLIKE Jonah. Can you answer that? Absolutely! This is the problem with Alphdoti, he injects his own words. He imposes his own words. He does not comprehend what the text is projecting. His problem is comprehension. Understanding. Not one, not two Wazuans have so far told him he is not understanding. He is not comprehending. Yet he is all over the place ,,,,,,,, To answer your question, if you want to bring dictionary definitions, then the word is not 'like'. You have injected that word by yourself and you will talk about it by yourself. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Where in that statement is 'like' appearing? Moving on. 'For as' - the subject's attribute (specified as 3 days) is compared to another subjects attribute (also specified as 3 days). Furthermore, comparison is not the synonym of 'likeness'. Comparison can bring out similarity and also difference. Then Alphdoti waltzes in, disregards the specified comparison of 3 days and states confidently the issue is 'like'. Even gives a dictionary definition. If anything, being dunked in water is hardly miraculous. However, being ejected out of the water (a) after 3 days and (b) alive is a miracle. The miracle. Lolest is right, what irks you, and your teachers, is that Jesus was dead, but now lives. That is your problem, not everyone else's. You would have wished he did not die. Or that he stayed dead. You have been answered and the answers have been reinforced. Many, hard and earnest have been your efforts to overthrow this article. All you have succeeded is in making readers go on a bible study that they would not have on their own. For that you have been very helpful.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kysse wrote:...
2.Jesus is not simply likening his burial to the disappearance of Jonah in the belly of the whale, but he is also emphasizing the duration of his death, making it clear that it is three days and three nights, like Jonah’s. The problem is that Jesus did not actually stay that long in the tomb. The Synoptists agree that he died just after 3 pm (Mark 15:33-37; Matt. 27:45-50; Luke 23:44-46). John does not tell us the time of Jesus’ death on the cross, but it must have happened after midday when he was handed over to be executed. All four Gospels also agree that Jesus had already risen from the dead by the early morning of the Sunday that followed the Friday of the crucifixion (Mark 16:1; Matt. 28:1; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).
...Inside the tomb Jesus did not experience any miracle; he was dead like all the dead.
The Interpretation of scripture through the canal mind is what leads to cults
@kysse very well. I have highlighted your words in red above. What did Jesus say? As Jonah was, so shall the son of man be. The miracle of Jonah is that he is alive when we expect him to be dead. Jesus says my miracle is the miracle of Jonah. So now @kysse you say being alive is not the miracle. You say the miracle is the number of days. So let us analyze, the scriptures. You have already highlighted that he was put on the cross on Friday afternoon and 'died' around 3pm and put in the sepulcher by Friday evening. By Sunday morning the sepulcher is completely empty. So Jesus Christ is in the tomb: - Friday night (counting 1 night, 0 day) - Saturday day (counting 1 night, 1 day) - Saturday night (counting 2 nights, 1 day) - Sunday morning he was not there!!!! So Jesus Christ was there for 2 nights and 1 day. It is not 3 days and 3 nights   I have never seen a person admitted in hospital on Friday evening and discharged at 5am Sunday say he/she was in the hospital for three days and three nights. Wallahi!! Jesus Christ said three days and three nights. So it is a mathematical error.  But Jesus says as Jonah was, so shall the son of man be. Jonah was how? How was Jonah in the belly of the whale? Dead or ALive? Answer is Alive! - when he was thrown overboard he was alive - in the belly of the fish as it went around the ocean he was praying to God, he was alive - he was vomited out on the shore alive. So Jonah was ALIVE, ALIVE, ALIVEBut when you ask the Christians how was Jesus (a.s) in the sepulcher, dead or alive? They say Jesus (a.s) DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.If he was alive, alhamdullillah, he was not crucified. If he was dead then he did not fulfill the sign.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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So, according to your impartial investigations, can you show us that indeed Jonah spent three days and three nights in the fish?
Secondly, can you show us why counting the days as you've done is correct? Like, there are allegations that Jews counted their days, and regarded time differently from 'us'.
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