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Nabwire
#51 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:32:10 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

What does 'Islam" mean?
The Arabic word ‘Islam’ simply means ‘submission’, and derives from a word "salam" meaning ‘peace’. In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of God...

That's all I needed to know, quite disappointed that your supporting answers have no relevance to the original question.

It has everything to do with educating you. You should know the basics. It is not fair for you to be offended when you hear some words. So today you will know the meanings.

'Allah'
is the Arabic name for God, which is used by both Arab Muslims and Arab Christians alike. Even Jesus (a.s) himself used the word "Ella" in Aramaic.

Who are the Muslims?
One billion people from a vast range or races, nationalities and cultures across the globe -
from the southern Philippines to Nigeria - are united by their common Islamic faith.


I'm not at all offended, neither am I in need of an education. I just want evidence of why you believe those claims to be true, everything else is unnecessary.
AlphDoti
#52 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:33:34 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
If I share my sentiments, this thread might just take a sabbatical.Sad

ION Thanks @Admin for my new footersmile

@mukiri check out and verify the verses in posts #39 and #43. Don't just take our words for it, look it up in your Bible. Don't just sit and be ignorant of the fact that Muhammad (saw) was actually mentioned in your own Bible but they never read these verses in the church, ever!!!
Nabwire
#53 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:33:54 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
So if the Quran upon which your faith is built, mentions Jews (The kin of Isaac) but doesn't mention Muslims (The kin of Ishmael) would I be crazy to say the authentic religion is Judaism? I'm just using your words and ideology!


Yes! The kin of Isaac were the chosen people until they plotted to kill Christ the Messiah after already being forgiven many times before for disobeying God!

Plotting to kill Jesus was basically the last straw for God! Thats why their final expulsion from Israel happened in 70 AD!

I have admitted time and again the children of Ishmael would never have been chosen if it wasn't for Jewish and Christian blunders!



Yawn!smile Please don't bore me with propaganda Liar
guru267
#54 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:36:57 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
present day Muslims are now deluded that these Jewish practices are Muslim. Lemme know if you need extra tutoring smile


This is exactly what you are failing to comprehend from the beginning!!

There is nothing like Jewish practice or Muslim practice... There is only GOD'S PRACTICE!!

I ask again why do you insist that we follow something else?? Muslims follow the God of Abraham only!



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly You do know you sound delusional right? At first you said Islam is the true religion and Judaism is evil, then you changed your mind and said Judaism=Islam, and now there's nothing like Jewish practices smile


Who is delusional?? You want your questions answered and are not wiling to answer any yourself!

Did Jews cook there practices or they got them from God? Did Muslims cook their practices or they got them from God??

Was God supposed to give contradicting messages??? I'm curious
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
AlphDoti
#55 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:37:01 PM
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Nabwire wrote:

I'm not at all offended, neither am I in need of an education. I just want evidence of why you believe those claims to be true, everything else is unnecessary.

Ok that is good enough. Let me show you something else so that you don't say "deceit" again.

What do Muslims believe?
Muslims believe in:
1. One, Unique, Incomparable God (called Allah in Arabic);
2. in the Angels created by Him;
3. in the Angels created by Him;
4. in the prophets through whom His revelation were brought to mankind;
5. in the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions;
6. in God’s complete authority over human destiny and in life after death.

Muslims believe in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God’s final message to man, a reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) through Angel Gabriel.
alma
#56 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:37:39 PM
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Guru and Alphdoti, I heard a pastor say that ALL muslims will burn in hell. Is this true?

Also heard a Muslim cleric say that all Kafirs will burn in hell. Is this true?

Now what makes you think we care about your religious favor on a Friday night?

Who gives a damn if you are the best religion in the world?

What gives you the right to come and piss on my Friday guiness so that you can proclaim that your religion is all that?

If you have the best religion, who cares?

The above questions also include Nabwire.

These topics have reduced wazua to religion central and I can see that people have stopped commenting as much as they used to. Just incase they are called bigots by the ultimate bigots on show on this thread.

Muache ufala.

If Allah or God needed your help to fight for his name or rights, he would have created you first, not Adam.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
guru267
#57 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:40:07 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
So if the Quran upon which your faith is built, mentions Jews (The kin of Isaac) but doesn't mention Muslims (The kin of Ishmael) would I be crazy to say the authentic religion is Judaism? I'm just using your words and ideology!


Yes! The kin of Isaac were the chosen people until they plotted to kill Christ the Messiah after already being forgiven many times before for disobeying God!

Plotting to kill Jesus was basically the last straw for God! Thats why their final expulsion from Israel happened in 70 AD!

I have admitted time and again the children of Ishmael would never have been chosen if it wasn't for Jewish and Christian blunders!



Yawn!smile Please don't bore me with propaganda Liar


Historical fact is now propaganda??

Go and read Matthew 21:43

Oh yeah.. I forgot you prefer ignorance!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Nabwire
#58 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:43:12 PM
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Posts: 1,325
guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
present day Muslims are now deluded that these Jewish practices are Muslim. Lemme know if you need extra tutoring smile


This is exactly what you are failing to comprehend from the beginning!!

There is nothing like Jewish practice or Muslim practice... There is only GOD'S PRACTICE!!

I ask again why do you insist that we follow something else?? Muslims follow the God of Abraham only!



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly You do know you sound delusional right? At first you said Islam is the true religion and Judaism is evil, then you changed your mind and said Judaism=Islam, and now there's nothing like Jewish practices smile


Who is delusional?? You want your questions answered and are not wiling to answer any yourself!

Did Jews cook there practices or they got them from God? Did Muslims cook their practices or they got them from God??

Was God supposed to give contradicting messages??? I'm curious


They cooked them up. Reason, God only spoke directly to people during Moses time. Guess what, there was no Islam during Moses' time. Neither was there Islam during Jesus' time. Hope I made that clear smile
AlphDoti
#59 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:43:20 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
So if the Quran upon which your faith is built, mentions Jews (The kin of Isaac) but doesn't mention Muslims (The kin of Ishmael) would I be crazy to say the authentic religion is Judaism? I'm just using your words and ideology!

Yes! The kin of Isaac were the chosen people until they plotted to kill Christ the Messiah after already being forgiven many times before for disobeying God!

Plotting to kill Jesus was basically the last straw for God! Thats why their final expulsion from Israel happened in 70 AD!

I have admitted time and again the children of Ishmael would never have been chosen if it wasn't for Jewish and Christian blunders!

Yawn!smile Please don't bore me with propaganda Liar

Come on @nabwire, is it propaganda if someone is willing to give you evidence?

Jesus (a.s) puts it straight here
The prophethood will be given to "another people", who will bring good results. Who are the non-Jews who were given prophethood!!!

He told the Jews that they were given the prophethood but they kept killing the prophets. Matt 21:42. "Kwa hiyo ninawaambia, Ufalme wa Mungu utaondolewa kwenu na watapewa watu wengine wawezao kuzaa matunda yake."

The Jews were expecting three persons:
Elias, Christos (Christ), and That Prophet. John 1:19
- Jesus said John came by way of Elias.
- Jesus was the Christ
- So who was the That Prophet? Matt 21:42

Jesus tells them that a day will come when they will not worship in Jerusalem. John 4:21
- Yesu akamjibu, "Mwanamke, niamini, wakati unakuja ambapo hamtamwabudu Baba katika mlima huu, wala huko Yerusalemu."

Why? Because "Ninyi Wasamaria mnaabudu msichokijua."

Why? Because one day "Lakini saa yaja, tena ipo, ambapo wale waabuduo halisi, watamwabudu Baba katika roho na kweli."

Those are the people God is looking for. THose who worship "..katika roho na kweli."

So which place was Jesus talking about?
Abraham was given two children. Moja kwa mwili (kiuno) i.e. Ismael na mwingine kwa ahadi i.e. Isaac.
- Isaac was 1st covenant, worshipping at Sinai.
- Ismael was 2nd covenant, worshipping God in spirit, in Arabia.
Nabwire
#60 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:44:49 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2011
Posts: 1,325
guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
So if the Quran upon which your faith is built, mentions Jews (The kin of Isaac) but doesn't mention Muslims (The kin of Ishmael) would I be crazy to say the authentic religion is Judaism? I'm just using your words and ideology!


Yes! The kin of Isaac were the chosen people until they plotted to kill Christ the Messiah after already being forgiven many times before for disobeying God!

Plotting to kill Jesus was basically the last straw for God! Thats why their final expulsion from Israel happened in 70 AD!

I have admitted time and again the children of Ishmael would never have been chosen if it wasn't for Jewish and Christian blunders!



Yawn!smile Please don't bore me with propaganda Liar


Historical fact is now propaganda??

Go and read Matthew 21:43

Oh yeah.. I forgot you prefer ignorance!


I thought Islam is the religion of peace, why you getting mad?smile
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