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guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote: guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:Save me the long winded reply, I'm not interested in Islam, I'm not going to google anything. Instead of digressing, answer the question at hand. Why you perpetrate lies in order to give Islam good PR, which is actually bad PR coz now my opinion of Islam is really low. People like you make Islam look bad, you put up a post saying Jesus was Muslim and gives reasons which are all false. That's what I'm debating, I'm not interested in what Islam has to offer, just interested in why Muslims like you think its justified to use deceit to convince people that your religion is good. That to me is no different than the Jim Jones cult. Correction, Abraham, Jesus, Daniel, Isaac, Solomon, David were all Jewish, you can lie to yourself all you want, but it wont change that fact. Interesting how you try to sell Islam using Jews, is it maybe because Mohammed had no positive character traits? You have talked too much... And I can't help if you choose to wallow in ignorance! Islam is the belief in one God... Period! You can call yourself a Jew or Christian or whatever.. As long as you believe to in one God, pray, fast, and give charity you are a MUSLIM!!! Islam is not the worship of Mohammad or being Arab as your small brain might think..  Is this the best you got?! Quite disappointed!! All that macho talk about punishment in hell, mushriks, religious warfare on Christians, and when you get your 5 seconds of fame, you resort to name calling. I am a Muslim that's actually funny, I guess that's the war strategy they teach you at the mosque, if the person you are trying to convert outsmarts you, call them a Muslim! If it makes your day, add Nabwire to the 'Jesus is Muslim list'  I haven't called you any names.. But anyone who is willing to argue from a point of Ignorance and is willing to stay there possibly has a small brain! Should I maybe write a thesis with you as the subject?!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Nabwire wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@nabwire it seems you have no idea what a Jew is, what a Christian is, and what a Muslim is.
It is in record, in the Jewish scriptures that the Jews rejected Jesus Christ (pbuh). Actually up to today, they are still waiting for their prophet to come. I am very much aware of this, is this a selling point to make me believe that Jews are bad people? Whats the relevance of telling me this? We don't mean Jews are bad people. But in terms of submission to God, we say they are disbelievers. With that in mind, then we can dialogue together with one understanding, with fairness, with same point of view as to who we are talking about.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Islam is the LAST Message of God... Nowhere do Muslims say it is the ONLY message of God! That's why Millions are flocking to the religion of Islam.. We are the only objective religion that combine all messages of God given before into a final message! We love Jesus more than most Christians will ever love Jesus! We love Abraham (as), Isaac (as), Jacob (as), David (as) and Solomon (as) more than most Jews ever will! Did you know Jesus and Mary are mentioned more than Muhammad in the Qur'an Did you know The children of Isaac ie Jacob, David etc are loved in Islam while the children of Ishmael are mentioned nowhere in the Qur'an! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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AlphaDoti, that's fine, you can believe whatever you choose. I'm not interested in that though. Can you just answer the original post with the 10 claims, thanks in advance.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Nabwire wrote:
10 reasons why Jesus the Messiah and Christ was a Muslim!
1. He believed in one God (did not discuss, teach or pray to Trinity)
2. He only ate halal food (as instructed in the OT)
3. He never touched pork
4. He did not drink alcohol (not all wine is alcoholic)
5. He grew a beard
6. He was circumcised
7. His mother wore a hijab
8. He prostrated to God in prayer
9. He fasted
10. He always wore ihram (Unstitched garments and sandals)
Jesus did all of the above actions whether you want to call Kosher as Halal or whatever... The language used does not change the action done! Does the act of covering ones hair with a hijab change just because I call it a head scarf?? Moses did the above because God commanded... Jesus did the above because God commanded... Muslims do the above because God commanded.... Can that really be called copying/duplicating! Or were the Muslims supposed to receive different commands?? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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guru267 wrote:Islam is the LAST Message of God... Nowhere do Muslims say it is the ONLY message of God!
That's why Millions are flocking to the religion of Islam.. We are the only objective religion that combine all messages of God given before into a final message!
We love Jesus more than most Christians will ever love Jesus!
We love Abraham (as), Isaac (as), Jacob (as), David (as) and Solomon (as) more than most Jews ever will!
Did you know Jesus and Mary are mentioned more than Muhammad in the Qur'an
Did you know The children of Isaac ie Jacob, David etc are loved in Islam while the children of Ishmael are mentioned nowhere in the Qur'an! Comical Nice to know you love Jews, maybe its time to convert to Judaism I thought the other day you said that the children of Ishmael were the new chosen people of God, now you say they are not mentioned anywhere in the Quran.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Nabwire wrote:
10 reasons why Jesus the Messiah and Christ was a Muslim!
1. He believed in one God (did not discuss, teach or pray to Trinity)
2. He only ate halal food (as instructed in the OT)
3. He never touched pork
4. He did not drink alcohol (not all wine is alcoholic)
5. He grew a beard
6. He was circumcised
7. His mother wore a hijab
8. He prostrated to God in prayer
9. He fasted
10. He always wore ihram (Unstitched garments and sandals)
AlphaDoti, I am glad you are finally commenting. But with all due respect, you are taking me down a very winded road. I just want you to answer why your fellow Muslim, guru, made the above assertions as if they are true, do you believe the above assertions to be true? I'm really not interested in all the other talk of how and why you pray, really, I'm not.
Yes I agree with all those points. Only that is the not the whole story. You know @guru is a very smart person, summarizes things quickly. Not like me who elaborates for better understanding (my weakness). Let me "elaborate" further. What is Islam?Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events which have come to be associated with their faithWhat does 'Islam" mean?The Arabic word ‘Islam’ simply means ‘submission’, and derives from a word "salam" meaning ‘peace’. In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of God. Islam -> Submission Salam -> Well-being/Peace Saleema -> To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a female) Saleem -> To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a male) Aslam -> To submit Istaslama -> To surrender Tasleem -> To receive a salutation or becoming submitted
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:
10 reasons why Jesus the Messiah and Christ was a Muslim!
1. He believed in one God (did not discuss, teach or pray to Trinity)
2. He only ate halal food (as instructed in the OT)
3. He never touched pork
4. He did not drink alcohol (not all wine is alcoholic)
5. He grew a beard
6. He was circumcised
7. His mother wore a hijab
8. He prostrated to God in prayer
9. He fasted
10. He always wore ihram (Unstitched garments and sandals)
Jesus did all of the above actions whether you want to call Kosher as Halal or whatever... The language used does not change the action done! Does the act of covering ones hair with a hijab change just because I call it a head scarf?? Moses did the above because God commanded... Jesus did the above because God commanded... Muslims do the above because God commanded.... Can that really be called copying/duplicating! Or were the Muslims supposed to receive different commands?? Wow, you're actually not smart are you? Lemme break it down SLOWLY for you. Jews created practices like eating kosher, fasting, not eating pork etc etc. Thousands of years later, Mohammed invented Islam and ordered his followers to adhere to Jewish principles, to the point of Muslims of that day used to pray facing Jerusalem not Mecca. Fast forward to today, present day Muslims are now deluded that these Jewish practices are Muslim. Lemme know if you need extra tutoring
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:Islam is the LAST Message of God... Nowhere do Muslims say it is the ONLY message of God!
That's why Millions are flocking to the religion of Islam.. We are the only objective religion that combine all messages of God given before into a final message!
We love Jesus more than most Christians will ever love Jesus!
We love Abraham (as), Isaac (as), Jacob (as), David (as) and Solomon (as) more than most Jews ever will!
Did you know Jesus and Mary are mentioned more than Muhammad in the Qur'an
Did you know The children of Isaac ie Jacob, David etc are loved in Islam while the children of Ishmael are mentioned nowhere in the Qur'an! Comical Nice to know you love Jews, maybe its time to convert to Judaism I thought the other day you said that the children of Ishmael were the new chosen people of God, now you say they are not mentioned anywhere in the Quran. That is right. It is mentioned right inside the Bible intself. It is not even the Muslim who say this. It is the Bible. Look at this. "Unabii Dhidi Ya Arabia" Isaiah 21:13. Yaani "Neno kuhusu Arabia... katika vichaka vya Arabia". Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. This messenger will bring down a law and "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Isaiah 42:11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Kedar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael. Your homework now: who is the ancestor? Which prophet was descended from Kedar, who descended from Ishmael? Who was given 2nd covenant? Mt. Parai is where Ismael was taken. Deut 33:1. Check it out in an encyclopaedia or Google it on the Internet and see where old Mt. Parani is. It is in Arabian peninsula.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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AlphDoti wrote:Nabwire wrote:
10 reasons why Jesus the Messiah and Christ was a Muslim!
1. He believed in one God (did not discuss, teach or pray to Trinity)
2. He only ate halal food (as instructed in the OT)
3. He never touched pork
4. He did not drink alcohol (not all wine is alcoholic)
5. He grew a beard
6. He was circumcised
7. His mother wore a hijab
8. He prostrated to God in prayer
9. He fasted
10. He always wore ihram (Unstitched garments and sandals)
AlphaDoti, I am glad you are finally commenting. But with all due respect, you are taking me down a very winded road. I just want you to answer why your fellow Muslim, guru, made the above assertions as if they are true, do you believe the above assertions to be true? I'm really not interested in all the other talk of how and why you pray, really, I'm not.
Yes I agree with all those points. Only that is the not the whole story. You know @guru is a very smart person, summarizes things quickly. Not like me who elaborates for better understanding (my weakness). Let me "elaborate" further. What is Islam?Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events which have come to be associated with their faithWhat does 'Islam" mean?The Arabic word ‘Islam’ simply means ‘submission’, and derives from a word "salam" meaning ‘peace’. In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of God. Islam -> Submission Salam -> Well-being/Peace Saleema -> To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a female) Saleem -> To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a male) Aslam -> To submit Istaslama -> To surrender Tasleem -> To receive a salutation or becoming submitted That's all I needed to know, quite disappointed that your supporting answers have no relevance to the original question.
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