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mnandii
#4221 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:42:58 AM
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Bundesbank's Weidmann: 'Deflation Risks are Pretty Limited'
Sad
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#4222 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:18:02 AM
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Don’t rely incautiously on government’s obligations to you if you are a retired government worker. In Argentina… the government suspended state pension payments to 1.4 million retired state employees. It had no money to pay because times got tough, and it had never saved when times were good. The same thing could happen to many governments around the world, whether national, state or local, which pay billions of dollars annually in pensions.

Conquer the Crash (2nd edition), pp. 254-255

Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
hisah
#4223 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:44:33 PM
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Putin wants talks with Europe on Ukraine gas debt - http://www.reuters.com/a...s-idUSL6N0N239U20140410

This Ukraine thing... Perfect storm Pray Sad
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
murchr
#4224 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 5:08:26 AM
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hisah wrote:
Putin wants talks with Europe on Ukraine gas debt - http://www.reuters.com/a...s-idUSL6N0N239U20140410

This Ukraine thing... Perfect storm Pray Sad


Putin is not backing down, after all those subsidies he gave to Ukraine, he will tear that country down.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#4225 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 5:09:59 AM
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Very interesting take time and listen
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Cde Monomotapa
#4226 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 6:18:27 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Interesting developments from Mzansi.

South Africa Eases Restrictions on Companies Investing in Africa

A concession announced last year that enables companies listed on the Johannesburg stock exchange to create a holding company to house their African and offshore operations will be extended to other firms. Limits on the amounts that listed companies can invest in Africa without prior approval will be increased to 2 billion rand, from 750 million rand, or 25 percent of their market value, said Ismail Momoniat, deputy director general in the National Treasury.

http://www.bloomberg.com...nvesting-in-africa.html



Commerce ministry (of India) adds new Line of Credit for Africa

New Delhi: A new Exim Bank Line of Credit for Africa has been introduced to speed up infrastructure project development in the continent, Commerce Minister Anand Sharma said here Sunday. "We've also introduced another Line of Credit, added to the Exim-Bank. The finance ministry has put it together under the Export Credit Guarantee Corporation (ECGC) and the National Exports Insurance Authority (NEIA), for which Buyer's Credit is available for infrastructure projects in Africa," Sharma said at the 10th CII-Exim Bank (Export-Import Bank of India) conclave on India Africa Project Partnership.

http://www.trademarksa.o...ca#.Ux2u5qGp6Yw.twitter


China says to ease restrictions on overseas investments

China will ease restrictions on overseas investments by local firms and deals below $1 billion will no longer need approval, the country's economic planner said in another step to cut red-tape and facilitate the growth of private investment.

The relaxation of rules also comes as Beijing is pushing its companies to venture abroad and is seeking to diversify its $4 trillion foreign-exchange reserves investments.

Currently, overseas resource-related investments above $300 million are subject to approvals by the NDRC, while the threshold for deals in other sectors is capped at $100 million.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101574671

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Dear Mr. President. Ile Yuan clearance house vipi?
;-)
hisah
#4227 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 2:20:46 PM
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It'll get interesting soon... Will there be another Enron moment. Very likely...




** Markets hate confessions. It's confession time **
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
murchr
#4228 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 5:21:07 AM
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And the circus in Ukraine gets interesting.
Reactions from Putin's letter
Quote:
The EU is taking seriously President Vladimir Putin’s letter to 18 European countries, in which he warned that Ukraine’s debt crisis could affect gas transit from Russia, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said.

"There are many reasons to seriously take into account this message […] and for Europe to deliver a joint European response,” Itar-Tass reported Merkel as saying.

She said the issue would be discussed in a meeting between European Union foreign ministers Monday.


Meanwhile
Russian President Vladimir Putin has described Washington’s reaction to his letter to 18 European leaders on the situation in Ukraine as strange.

“All this is a bit strange. It is strange because it is not nice to read letters addressed to other people. The letter was not addressed to them but to European gas consumers. Everybody has got accustomed to the fact that our American friends tap conversations. But peeping and spying is not nice at all,” Putin said, Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Nabwire
#4229 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 9:07:14 AM
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murchr wrote:
Very interesting take time and listen


Interesting, I would say that this video has a lot of misleading notions sprinkled with some truth. From the very top, they got the definition of fiat money wrong, I'm sure they know the real definition but it probably wouldn't suit their purpose. Then they talked about all fiat money crashing to zero but didn't actually name any of those currencies...hmm Next they invoked fear that since currency has lost value since 1913, your money is not safe in the bank. This is only true if you have been alive since 1913 and experienced the decline of currency value, and if you are dumb enough to put your money in the bank. Another misrepresentation of truth is they keep talking about this is the greatest transfer of money in history, then they refer to some event that happened in 2009, which means that this video was made after 2009, well sorry to burst their bubble but the greatest transfer of money already happened in 2007, and they know this. I would like to know what their gold and silver portfolios look like. This is basically a promo on gold and silver, so that they can cash in on the ignorant who may take their advice. Notice how they only compare the precious metals to currency, no mention whatsoever of stocks...hmmm And they conveniently forget to mention whether the precious metals are at rock bottom prices or if they are at the top. My guess is they were at the top, no group of ten or so "economists" would waste their time telling you to buy precious metals if they didn't stand to gain!
Hunderwear
#4230 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:56:52 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
murchr wrote:
Very interesting take time and listen


Interesting, I would say that this video has a lot of misleading notions sprinkled with some truth. From the very top, they got the definition of fiat money wrong, I'm sure they know the real definition but it probably wouldn't suit their purpose. Then they talked about all fiat money crashing to zero but didn't actually name any of those currencies...hmm Next they invoked fear that since currency has lost value since 1913, your money is not safe in the bank. This is only true if you have been alive since 1913 and experienced the decline of currency value, and if you are dumb enough to put your money in the bank. Another misrepresentation of truth is they keep talking about this is the greatest transfer of money in history, then they refer to some event that happened in 2009, which means that this video was made after 2009, well sorry to burst their bubble but the greatest transfer of money already happened in 2007, and they know this. I would like to know what their gold and silver portfolios look like. This is basically a promo on gold and silver, so that they can cash in on the ignorant who may take their advice. Notice how they only compare the precious metals to currency, no mention whatsoever of stocks...hmmm And they conveniently forget to mention whether the precious metals are at rock bottom prices or if they are at the top. My guess is they were at the top, no group of ten or so "economists" would waste their time telling you to buy precious metals if they didn't stand to gain!

@Nabwire much as he may not have a gud portifolio he seems to have an of where we are headed.Infact China seem to be reading his script.Importing tons n tons of gold and dumping Us dollars thru infrastructure in Africa.perhaps this guy know something we dont.Wazuans alike have also been forewarning us of a massiv wealth transfer opportunity to come that wil be disguised in chaos.cant remember which thread but most likely this one
murchr
#4231 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 5:05:03 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
murchr wrote:
Very interesting take time and listen


Interesting, I would say that this video has a lot of misleading notions sprinkled with some truth. From the very top, they got the definition of fiat money wrong, I'm sure they know the real definition but it probably wouldn't suit their purpose. Then they talked about all fiat money crashing to zero but didn't actually name any of those currencies...hmm Next they invoked fear that since currency has lost value since 1913, your money is not safe in the bank. This is only true if you have been alive since 1913 and experienced the decline of currency value, and if you are dumb enough to put your money in the bank. Another misrepresentation of truth is they keep talking about this is the greatest transfer of money in history, then they refer to some event that happened in 2009, which means that this video was made after 2009, well sorry to burst their bubble but the greatest transfer of money already happened in 2007, and they know this. I would like to know what their gold and silver portfolios look like. This is basically a promo on gold and silver, so that they can cash in on the ignorant who may take their advice. Notice how they only compare the precious metals to currency, no mention whatsoever of stocks...hmmm And they conveniently forget to mention whether the precious metals are at rock bottom prices or if they are at the top. My guess is they were at the top, no group of ten or so "economists" would waste their time telling you to buy precious metals if they didn't stand to gain!


@Nabwire what i know to be fiat money is paper money perhaps there's another definition kindly share. Now which other paper money is more valuable than the $? Well I know none other. I agree with you on the notion of only gold and silver are worthy mediums of exchange, my preference would be land and more so arable land. Note..for me its not stocks because they too are backed by the $$
Russia now is attacking the petrodollar http://voiceofrussia.com...k-the-petrodollar-2335/
Interesting time ahead.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Nabwire
#4232 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:23:25 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
murchr wrote:
Very interesting take time and listen


Interesting, I would say that this video has a lot of misleading notions sprinkled with some truth. From the very top, they got the definition of fiat money wrong, I'm sure they know the real definition but it probably wouldn't suit their purpose. Then they talked about all fiat money crashing to zero but didn't actually name any of those currencies...hmm Next they invoked fear that since currency has lost value since 1913, your money is not safe in the bank. This is only true if you have been alive since 1913 and experienced the decline of currency value, and if you are dumb enough to put your money in the bank. Another misrepresentation of truth is they keep talking about this is the greatest transfer of money in history, then they refer to some event that happened in 2009, which means that this video was made after 2009, well sorry to burst their bubble but the greatest transfer of money already happened in 2007, and they know this. I would like to know what their gold and silver portfolios look like. This is basically a promo on gold and silver, so that they can cash in on the ignorant who may take their advice. Notice how they only compare the precious metals to currency, no mention whatsoever of stocks...hmmm And they conveniently forget to mention whether the precious metals are at rock bottom prices or if they are at the top. My guess is they were at the top, no group of ten or so "economists" would waste their time telling you to buy precious metals if they didn't stand to gain!

@Nabwire much as he may not have a gud portifolio he seems to have an of where we are headed.Infact China seem to be reading his script.Importing tons n tons of gold and dumping Us dollars thru infrastructure in Africa.perhaps this guy know something we dont.Wazuans alike have also been forewarning us of a massiv wealth transfer opportunity to come that wil be disguised in chaos.cant remember which thread but most likely this one


Fair enough, but is gold at rock bottom? Does it make sense to buy gold at current prices? Does the average investor have the same buying power as the Chinese government? I don't see the average investor benefiting from this strategy, and remember every crisis is an opportunity in disguise, meaning not even gold will rise forever, it also falls. There is no such thing as a safe market.
Nabwire
#4233 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:30:25 PM
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Murchr Fiat money is money backed the by the full force of the government, its not just paper money. For fiat money to be worthless, the government backing it has to crumble. They made it seem like all fiat money is equivalent which is not true. Ukraine's money is much weaker than US money, they conveniently ignored that. They also talked about the US exporting inflation and inflation coming back and causing chaos. That's a very simplistic way of looking at things, the Federal reserve controls the supply of money, they wouldn't let the economy be flooded by money without employing open market operations. No one can predict the future, a crash could happen, its very likely to happen, but the stock market always bounces back.
murchr
#4234 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:54:26 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
Murchr Fiat money is money backed the by the full force of the government, its not just paper money. For fiat money to be worthless, the government backing it has to crumble. They made it seem like all fiat money is equivalent which is not true. Ukraine's money is much weaker than US money, they conveniently ignored that. They also talked about the US exporting inflation and inflation coming back and causing chaos. That's a very simplistic way of looking at things, the Federal reserve controls the supply of money, they wouldn't let the economy be flooded by money without employing open market operations. No one can predict the future, a crash could happen, its very likely to happen, but the stock market always bounces back.


So in simple terms fiat money = currency. Not bitcoin etc now being worthless is relative, i believe they are addressing the American audience so they made no comparison between currencies rather the dollar vs other forms of mediums of exchange(money). What holds the dollar as supreme is the believe and trust in the US govt as a banker if this trust is betrayed anything can happen. History says so much about the future, don't forget the pound sterling existed b4 the dollar
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Nabwire
#4235 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:07:04 PM
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I'm not saying there is no possibility of the market crashing, what I'm saying is their assertion that gold is a better investment is not entirely true. All investments are cyclical, so if one wants stability, the only place they will find that is in bank CD's where you will get minimal interest.
streetwise
#4236 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:26:59 PM
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If there is no war land is the other investment that never fetches less than the purchase price.
hisah
#4237 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:48:37 AM
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How did this not trend?

http://blogs.reuters.com...ks-on-cdo-prosecutions/

Very interesting confession story...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
symbols
#4238 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 9:25:58 AM
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hisah wrote:
For Le Squid to do this, something quite significant is in the offing.

http://www.reuters.com/a...0N04V320140408?irpc=932

Citi, JP Morgue, and now Le Squid. Where there's smoke... IPO floats, banker suicides/homicide, record fines, selling biz, closing biz and too many conspiracy theories now going mainstream...

*When conspiracy theories become news, that's usually the last confession phase...*


If this is the opening ceremony the main act should be interesting.
hisah
#4239 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:47:21 PM
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The French govt has lost the plot. I expect Hollande and team to be kicked out in the next election. And the loss will definitely be a landslide...

Hollande Government Dipping Into SFR Shows Dirigisme Rules - http://bloom.bg/1p6HapO

Quote:
All governments are protectionist, but we do it stupidly, perpetuating an image that ultimately deters foreign investors,” said Jean-Pierre Martel, a founding partner at Paris law firm Orrick Rambaud Martel. “It’s normal to defend your industries but the 35-hour workweek, 75 percent tax on the wealthy and a government that meddles in private deal-making projects an image of France that deters investors.


Tax revenues will take a sharp nosedive as investors pull out capital. Capital has no allegiance, it flows where it expands.

I am waiting for the next global selling bout period and that french market I will thoroughly short it.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#4240 Posted : Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:00:08 AM
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And now the HFT lawsuits start flying in - http://www.bloomberg.com...uency-trading-case.html

Virtu postpones its IPO now that HFT darkness has gone mainstream. Let's see how the 'bragging no trade losses firms' survive when HFT dies.

ION, chingland reopens the IPO taps. The IPO fest is on in 2014 globally. End game in play...

** 2014 has become a confessions parade **
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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