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KenolKobil FY13 turnaround + positive FY14 outlook
Aguytrying
#21 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:51:41 AM
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dunkang wrote:
muganda wrote:
The difference between Total and KenolKobil results is interest expense.

Finance costs
Total 278m
KenolKobil 1.671bn


Borrowings
Total 2.494bn
Kenol Kobil 14.854bn


So what I'd like to know is, who are KenolKobil's bankers?


Dividends
Total (K) 0.6/-
KenolKobil 0.1/-

Profit Before Taxation
Total (K) 2.1B/-
KenolKobil 0.56B/-

And someone was cursing the KES 5.2B interest-free preferential shares "LOAN"???? Now you know!!!!!


TOTAL preferential shares are yet to be paid back, so dont celebrate too early and they are worth 9.0b. 5.2b was the second tranche.

Total's results are better and more promising than those of KK, a tip. whenever you calculate TOTAL's EPS, NAV, P?B. please do not forget the preference shares! Until such a time that they'll be paid out. Its a major dilution that's easy to ignore.

TOTAL's route will cost them less in the long term and the dilution is directly on the share price. KK's method will hurt the bottom line, but impinge less on the share itself, the market will take care of that. Like its already doing today.

What i dont like about the pref shares is that total's future earnings and esp balance sheet are dependent on the whims of the pref shareholders, they can spoil the party AT ANY TIME by demanding payment. While for KK, its more predicatable pain of interest payment. I dont like both methods. But i have to admit TOTAL is more fairly valued at current prices and with less encumbrance to grow going forward
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CASHFLOW202
#22 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:13:48 AM
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was yesterdays supply a bluff or what? some guys are plotting something. This counter has no reasons of tanking
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mlennyma
#23 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:16:52 PM
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Kk will unlock its potential 2014.i expect over 200% profit growth so continue selling to me iam patient for atleast a year from now.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mlennyma
#24 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:21:42 PM
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Some pple are in the nse expecting miracles,what did u expect from kk?just sell and give us room to sit properly
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xtina
#25 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:38:43 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Some pple are in the nse expecting miracles,what did u expect from kk?just sell and give us room to sit properly


I hope it goes back to the 9.10 levels I repeat the cycle again. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#26 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:35:18 PM
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7.3 million shares traded as at 2.35pm.
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mlennyma
#27 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:43:35 PM
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I can see guys bidding in millions at 9.70 but this volume is a big plus and sign of confidence in kk.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Metasploit
#28 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:52:55 PM
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Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
Metasploit
#29 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:57:07 PM
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Damn it!

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
Metasploit
#30 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:00:58 PM
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clean 8 + %

Big buys at 9.70 only have > 10 as huge volume supply points NOW

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
Aguytrying
#31 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:12:43 PM
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Metasploit wrote:
Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers


I've come to realise that these are major shareholders restructuring their portfolio or exiting with the help of their buddies or investment banks.

Because you cant randomly supply 10 million shares and expect someone will buy them, it could take months. Probably they bet with each other how the results would turn out and the help each other restructure/exit for one and entry for the other.

It could also be a major-ish shareholder reducing stake or offloading completely and "KK" aka Plunge protection offering to buy those shares to reduce the blood on the streets.

conspiracy theories much?
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
dunkang
#32 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:15:43 PM
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Metasploit wrote:
Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers

Plunge Protection CLUB
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Metasploit
#33 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 9:55:55 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers

Plunge Protection CLUB


The PPT were sleeping??

good volumes trades at 9.00

Supply side weaknesses

50,000 and 25,000

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#34 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:02:44 AM
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Metasploit wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers

Plunge Protection CLUB


The PPT were sleeping??

good volumes trades at 9.00

Supply side weaknesses

50,000 and 25,000

Saw that as well. The guy is already in the moneyssmile
@SufficientlyP
dunkang
#35 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:07:42 AM
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Metasploit wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers

Plunge Protection CLUB


The PPT were sleeping??

good volumes trades at 9.00

Supply side weaknesses

50,000 and 25,000

Is the PPT controlling the live data feed at rich.co.ke? I am in data/info darkness.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Ericsson
#36 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:07:49 AM
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@Aguytrying
Kenol Kobil main banker is Kenya Commercial Bank (KCB)
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Aguytrying
#37 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:27:15 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers

Plunge Protection CLUB


The PPT were sleeping??

good volumes trades at 9.00

Supply side weaknesses

50,000 and 25,000

Is the PPT controlling the live data feed at rich.co.ke? I am in data/info darkness.


Ata wakizima taa! also in the dark
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Metasploit
#38 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:28:34 AM
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Location: Dar es salaam,Tanzania
dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers

Plunge Protection CLUB


The PPT were sleeping??

good volumes trades at 9.00

Supply side weaknesses

50,000 and 25,000

Is the PPT controlling the live data feed at rich.co.ke? I am in data/info darkness.


Use http://live.mystocks.co.ke/rmw.php



“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
mwekez@ji
#39 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 10:50:22 AM
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Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 5,121
Metasploit wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
Who is buying,who is selling ?

Large volumes on both sides.

But sellers outweigh the buyers

Plunge Protection CLUB


The PPT were sleeping??

good volumes trades at 9.00

Supply side weaknesses

50,000 and 25,000

Is the PPT controlling the live data feed at rich.co.ke? I am in data/info darkness.


Use http://live.mystocks.co.ke/rmw.php



9.xy, 10.xy, till takeover/acquisition, 8.xy and 11.xy also . N’way, FY14 will be great (resultswise), and better if the awaited buyer comes knocking
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