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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Since I'm bored, and Admin keeps blocking all the religious threads after the Wazua mad woman makes outrageously deceitful statements, I just had to debunk these lies.
10 reasons why Jesus the Messiah and Christ was a Muslim!
1. He believed in one God (did not discuss, teach or pray to Trinity) 2. He only ate halal food (as instructed in the OT) 3. He never touched pork 4. He did not drink alcohol (not all wine is alcoholic) 5. He grew a beard 6. He was circumcised 7. His mother wore a hijab 8. He prostrated to God in prayer 9. He fasted 10. He always wore ihram (Unstitched garments and sandals)
Never before have I seen such levels of desperation, bordering on Insanity to deceive and entice people into a cult. Never mind that the above reasons are completely false, correlation does not mean causation, there is no tangible evidence given why Islam is good, the evidence given is why Jesus was a Muslim, implying that Islam really is inferior to the other Abrahamic religions. Jesus was a Jew, end of story. Its comical how Muslims claim to hate Jews yet they worship a Jew, He converted to Christianity but he was a Jew none the less. Just the same way Lupita was born in Mexico but she's Kenyan none the less. Now someone claiming that because Jesus did the above ten, somehow makes him Muslim is just laughable, pitiable even. Lets debunk these points. Point 1. is false because Jesus was following Jewish teachings of the time, and Jews believe in one God. But the mad woman will have you believe that this was a Muslim practice, even though Islam did not exist during Jesus' time. Point 2 is false because Jesus actually ate kosher food not halal. Here, Muslims yet again copied Jewish practices then this mad woman has the audacity to try to pass this practice off as Muslim. Point 3 is yet again false. Jesus never ate pork because as a Jew pork was forbidden. Evidence of this can be found in all the places where Jews resided in Mesopotamia, there were no pig bones found. Yet again, the religion of deceit will have you believe that this was a Muslim practice. At this point there is no need for me to detail the rest of the deceit in points 4 to 10. All those practices were practiced by Jews and Islam just copied these practices. I have realized that Islam preys on the uneducated & ignorant, for a person who does not know the facts, they will use such "evidence" to claim authenticity. AlphaDoti, I would really want to hear your opinion on why your religion uses blatant lies.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,824 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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Simple. Religion is a man's creation. Religion is just a combination of Folklores and Superstition. Religion begins with a man's dream of what existed, and a man's dream of what will happen. DREAMS, JUST DREAMS!!! Religion is the GREATEST LIE EVER TOLD by men to other men. The ideology of a religion is completely a BIG FU©#!NG LIE. Religion SUCKS! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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I agree religion is manmade. My point for making this point is to expose lies that Muslims tell to portray Islam as an authentic religion. Interestingly, Jews don't call Muslims out when Muslims hijack their religious practices and paint them as their own.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/6/2010 Posts: 741 Location: Nairobi
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We should just let each other be. It really doesn't matter what who said what!!! Religion is a personal thing. Such arguments are usually pointless because in the end Everyone will be judged as an Individual. You are simply raising your blood pressure for nothing.
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Rank: Administration Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 679
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Dear @Nabwire,
The question begs, WHO is being deceived?
We are yet to observe any Wazuan think otherwise as regards their belief after these religious posts. What we have observed, without doubt, is the consternation, labeling, and damage it does to the fabric of our community.
Surprisingly, the most well written or most forceful in this debate is likely the most unwise. Socrates said I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.
Let's respect and let live.
The Wazua spirit
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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I am glad you have reached out. You may think that no one is being deceived, but there are less educated people who read these blogs and take it as gospel truths. Just because I may not fall for the deceit, doesn't mean that I should sit back and let untruths reign, simply because it does not affect me. The Jews learned the hard way that by ignoring something because it does not affect them, when it does affect them, others may ignore their plight too. So to answer you, my conscience cant let me let false ideology be preached, because I know somewhere, someone may read such posts and think of them as true. On a different note, I find it quite interesting that you block and demote posters who speak out against Islam, but no action is taken when Muslims speak badly about others. Granted I may have used brash words in my description, but it is nothing compared to guru's veiled threats, calling Christians mushriks ( I don't even know what this means but I presume its meant to insult us) and even inciting war against Christians. She has done this severally, but no action from you. I'm not complaining, just pointing out your bias, maybe you should also respect other people's views, not selectively censoring one side and letting the other side run wild.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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And I thought this thread was about the movie...... http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0402959/
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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wazua wrote:Dear @Nabwire,
The question begs, WHO is being deceived?
We are yet to observe any Wazuan think otherwise as regards their belief after these religious posts. What we have observed, without doubt, is the consternation, labeling, and damage it does to the fabric of our community.
Surprisingly, the most well written or most forceful in this debate is likely the most unwise. Socrates said I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.
Let's respect and let live.
The Wazua spirit
Hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,, administrative assumptions. Deception. What if the point is not to revise but to entrench? Anyway, about the Jewish thing, Quote:Many Christians (and Muslims) have been raised on stories about Jesus' supposedly negative relationship to the Jewish religion, an unfortunate misconception that has only helped feed anti-Semitism through the centuries. Jesus spoke out against abuses of the religion, that's true, but not against the religion itself. After all, He was the founder of it.
Indeed, the Gospel accounts of His life and ministry show that Jesus was a faithful Jew fully immersed in Jewish culture from the moment of His birth to the final week of His life in human flesh.
Like every loyal Jew in the first century, Jesus was subject to the Mosaic law. Raised in a home with loyal Jewish parents, He fully appreciated His rich earthly heritage, which was rooted in Divine providence. He knew that God Himself had inspired Moses to pen these laws, with the purpose of creating a society that reflected His will and served as a beacon to the nations. He adhered faithfully to the letter of the law. From circumcision to His visit to the temple to the feasts and to His attitude about taxes, Jesus remained steadfastly faithful to a system that, He knew, would over time be fulfilled through His death and His ministry in heaven.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,333 Location: Masada
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Hi @Nabwire, I hope you are well. A few reasons why I keep off these heated religious discussions: 1. My God whom I believe in do not need my defence for Him to remain God. It doesnt matter how much I may "fight" for Him or not "fight" for Him, He remains the Almighty. In fact He doesn't expect me to "fight" for Him, all He asks of me is that I may do His Will. "John 7:16 So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me. 17"If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself. 18"He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.…"2. Most of the religious arguments that happens in Wazua are not for the sake of seeking knowledge about each others' religion, but to pin down each other. To that extent, they become "foolish" arguments instead of educative arguments. Yet Titus 3:9 is clear: "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless"3. When I want an honest question about other faiths, I always ask my friends. Lucky for me, I have great friends across all the faiths. When I ask them to explain to me why they believe in what they believe, they do it without matusi or anger...and I learn so much. Wazua is a great source of information, but the issues on religion are always "war-pads" instead of information sources. I prefer to seek for knowledge, instead of "fight" the other religion. Prov 15:14 "The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge, but the mouths of fools feed on folly." 4. It is always my principle to respect other people's faith, even when I dont agree with them. Many a times I dont both so much which faith you belong to. I dont struggle to change people's way, esp through heated debates...Instead I go for a another version. Mathew 5:16 "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. This is the best way to "fight" for God. Doing His Will, and His Will is Love. 5. Whichever your religion, the greatest law is clear Mathew 22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”In whatever you do, just ask yourself whether it expreses Love for your God and for your fellow human being. Regardless of how many arguments we have, that shall not change. If the discussions could be limited to sharing knowledge and not to fight each other and to show each other how "your religion is inferior to mine" and vice versa, I would be happy to participate. Kind Regards, Washiku
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