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Richard Corcoran - Kenyan Tourism In Dire Straits
Jus Blazin
#71 Posted : Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:04:34 AM
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Alba wrote:
No one is saying that domestic tourists should be disregarded. We are saying that foreign tourism is far more important. That is a fact.

And France has a far larger middle class and wealthy class. So their domestic tourism is far more lucrative.

Who are we kidding ? If foreign tourism stalls, they may as well close 70% of tourism establishments in Kenya, especially those in remote areas like Samburu national park.

Sorry but Kenyans will not suddenly become interested in visiting Samburu in large enough numbers to sustain it.

Irony in your statements. Closing 70% is disregard of domestic tourism.

And you saying that foreign tourism is far more important reminds me of the thread on art caffe. The waiters and waitresses feel the mzungu is far more important than the local coz he tips better... (See it in context)

As @juggernaut said, it's sad. I rest my case.
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Swenani
#72 Posted : Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:20:10 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
The sad thing is that those hotels and camps would rather close down than adjust their rates downwards (or market their products) to serve local tourists. One would think that collecting half the money (from local tourists) would be better than no money at all. But anyway we can't blame them if they set up business to exclusively serve foreign tourists, so when there are no foreign tourists, the "logical" thing would be to close until the economy in Europe improves........... and the al shabaab are obliterated.


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That is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard.

Its makes business sense to have no money at all than have half money.

Why, If you close(have no money) then you have no expenses.If you take half money then you incur expenses which might be higher than your half money you have taken.
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jaggernaut
#73 Posted : Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:24:33 AM
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Swenani wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
The sad thing is that those hotels and camps would rather close down than adjust their rates downwards (or market their products) to serve local tourists. One would think that collecting half the money (from local tourists) would be better than no money at all. But anyway we can't blame them if they set up business to exclusively serve foreign tourists, so when there are no foreign tourists, the "logical" thing would be to close until the economy in Europe improves........... and the al shabaab are obliterated.


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That is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard.

Its makes business sense to have no money at all than have half money.

Why, If you close(have no money) then you have no expenses.If you take half money then you incur expenses which might be higher than your half money you have taken.


Then ISOKEI if it's better to close than reduce rates from 25k to 15k per person per day.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#74 Posted : Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:44:31 AM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
Alba wrote:
No one is saying that domestic tourists should be disregarded. We are saying that foreign tourism is far more important. That is a fact.

And France has a far larger middle class and wealthy class. So their domestic tourism is far more lucrative.

Who are we kidding ? If foreign tourism stalls, they may as well close 70% of tourism establishments in Kenya, especially those in remote areas like Samburu national park.

Sorry but Kenyans will not suddenly become interested in visiting Samburu in large enough numbers to sustain it.

Irony in your statements. Closing 70% is disregard of domestic tourism.

And you saying that foreign tourism is far more important reminds me of the thread on art caffe. The waiters and waitresses feel the mzungu is far more important than the local coz he tips better... (See it in context)

As @juggernaut said, it's sad. I rest my case.


@JB, you are completely missing the point, what we are saying is that local tourism cannot replace foreign tourism, they are 2 very differnet markets, albeit buying th esame thing.

Let me give you 2 hypothetical scenarios:

A tourist, lands at JKIA, spends the night at the Hilton, books a tourvan to the Mara where he enjoys the wildebeest.

Now compare to you:

You wake up from your house in Nai, drive your car to the mara where you enjoy the wildebeest migration.

The value chains for these two mara tourists are however very different, the tourist will spend on a tour operator, KQ air ticket, night at the Hilton, tour van and finally the Mara. You on the other hand will spend on the gate charges at the Mara and the hotel.

So who is more important here for our economy?
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Jus Blazin
#75 Posted : Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:02:32 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
Alba wrote:
No one is saying that domestic tourists should be disregarded. We are saying that foreign tourism is far more important. That is a fact.

And France has a far larger middle class and wealthy class. So their domestic tourism is far more lucrative.

Who are we kidding ? If foreign tourism stalls, they may as well close 70% of tourism establishments in Kenya, especially those in remote areas like Samburu national park.

Sorry but Kenyans will not suddenly become interested in visiting Samburu in large enough numbers to sustain it.

Irony in your statements. Closing 70% is disregard of domestic tourism.

And you saying that foreign tourism is far more important reminds me of the thread on art caffe. The waiters and waitresses feel the mzungu is far more important than the local coz he tips better... (See it in context)

As @juggernaut said, it's sad. I rest my case.


@JB, you are completely missing the point, what we are saying is that local tourism cannot replace foreign tourism, they are 2 very differnet markets, albeit buying th esame thing.

Let me give you 2 hypothetical scenarios:

A tourist, lands at JKIA, spends the night at the Hilton, books a tourvan to the Mara where he enjoys the wildebeest.

Now compare to you:

You wake up from your house in Nai, drive your car to the mara where you enjoy the wildebeest migration.

The value chains for these two mara tourists are however very different, the tourist will spend on a tour operator, KQ air ticket, night at the Hilton, tour van and finally the Mara. You on the other hand will spend on the gate charges at the Mara and the hotel.

So who is more important here for our economy?

@Obi, I didn't say domestic tourism can replace foreign tourism, I just suggested there should be increased focus on domestic tourism to mitigate against foreign tourism shocks (FT is evidently very important).

I quoted this yesterday.

"The development of domestic tourism should not be regarded as an alternative to international tourism; these two forms of tourism are different to be sure, but they complement each other closely and one should not be neglected in favour of the other."
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
washiku
#76 Posted : Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:34:17 PM
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Siringi
#77 Posted : Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:24:39 PM
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B.Timer
#78 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:25:16 PM
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Some Hotels not only at the coast but also across the Country routinely close down during the low season.
So this is not unique to 2014!

There is no denying that the tourism sector has experienced a slump in the last couple of months but that doesn't mean we hype things up by way of passing only skewed information.

Dunia ni msongamano..
B.Timer
#79 Posted : Monday, October 06, 2014 11:56:34 AM
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Tourism/Travel annual awards, which have been described as “the Oscars of the travel industry”

Quote:
Diani Beach on the Kenyan coast has been voted the best beach destination in Africa.
Another winner from the Coast region was the Sarova Whitesands Beach Resort & Spa, which was voted as the continent’s leading eco-hotel.
A similar honour went to the Sarova Shaba Game Lodge in Samburu, northern Kenya, which was voted Africa’s leading eco-lodge and the world famous Masai Mara whichwas lauded as Africa’s leading national park.
The Leopard Beach Resort & Spa in Diani was also voted Africa’s leading spa resort. This was the second year in a row that the resort has won the award. The establishment was also voted Kenya’s leading beach resort.

In the safari camp segment, Gamewatchers Safaris and Porini Camps were named as the top performers in the continent. Porini manages exclusive safaris and has camps in the Mara and Amboseli parks and also runs camps in conservancies such as Ol-Pejeta.
Twiga Tours and Abercrombie & Kent rounded up the Kenyan companies that emerged tops in the continent in the responsible tourism and luxury safaris categories.
In all, Kenya tied with South Africa with highest number of winning tourism companies in Africa, at 17 while Morocco had 14, followed by Nigeria with eight

Dunia ni msongamano..
sparkly
#80 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:36:42 AM
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B.Timer wrote:

Some Hotels not only at the coast but also across the Country routinely close down during the low season.
So this is not unique to 2014!

There is no denying that the tourism sector has experienced a slump in the last couple of months but that doesn't mean we hype things up by way of passing only skewed information.



This should actually be the high season. Low season is usually March-July.
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