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TransCentury Sells RVR stake to Citadel
dunkang
#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 01, 2014 6:29:29 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
sib today wrote:
... no price was disclosed but the stake was valued at KES 3.8bn in 2012, suggesting a potential transaction value of KES 4-6bn, with an estimated IRR of at least 25%.


At KES 4B, thats ~14/- per share, at KES 6B, thats ~21/- per share. What percentage of Tranny's Value did Reli occupy?

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VituVingiSana
#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 01, 2014 6:37:05 PM
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dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
What did they sell the 34% for? That's the million $ question...

Was Tranny under any pressure to sell?
NO
So, could they have sold at a price not favourable to them?
NO
Is Citadel Group just raising EGP8B (Approx. USD2.5B) for acquisitions (By 8th April 2014)?
YES
Do we really have to wait for the exact figures to know that Tranny have just KILLED IT!?
NO

It still doesn't answer the question. How much?
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jerry
#23 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:16:03 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
What did they sell the 34% for? That's the million $ question...

Was Tranny under any pressure to sell?
NO
So, could they have sold at a price not favourable to them?
NO
Is Citadel Group just raising EGP8B (Approx. USD2.5B) for acquisitions (By 8th April 2014)?
YES
Do we really have to wait for the exact figures to know that Tranny have just KILLED IT!?
NO

It still doesn't answer the question. How much?

It's 6bn.
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Mainat
#24 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 5:28:36 AM
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Totally misguided sale IMHO. Maybe TC doesn't have the financial stamina. The Energy sector inawenyewe. Whoever gets the rail cargo right will hit a jackpot. And the business will grow exponentially. Logically.
But I guess investors will cheer the 10-20% return.
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georgegop
#25 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 7:24:03 AM
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TransCentury sells stake in Rift Valley Railways for Sh5bn
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dunkang
#26 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 7:55:58 AM
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Mainat wrote:
Totally misguided sale IMHO. Maybe TC doesn't have the financial stamina. The Energy sector inawenyewe. Whoever gets the rail cargo right will hit a jackpot. And the business will grow exponentially. Logically.
But I guess investors will cheer the 10-20% return.

With the Standard Gauge Rail (SGR) coming, it would have been better to zoooooom!

By the way, what 10-20% return, it was more than 100%!
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Aguytrying
#27 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 8:47:09 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Totally misguided sale IMHO. Maybe TC doesn't have the financial stamina. The Energy sector inawenyewe. Whoever gets the rail cargo right will hit a jackpot. And the business will grow exponentially. Logically.
But I guess investors will cheer the 10-20% return.

With the Standard Gauge Rail (SGR) coming, it would have been better to zoooooom!

By the way, what 10-20% return, it was more than 100%!


This is one of those questions an investor shoots first and ask questions later. Your flow chart reveals all we need to know about his deal now.
I have a feeling tranny may be going back to 50's very soon, even if temporarily. CABL is also on the M&A radar.
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Mainat
#28 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:28:26 AM
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Dunkang-if you read the story, they paid circa Ksh3bn for their stake. Since then, they've been pumping money in. TC's own projections said revenue would grow 4times, if RVR made some minimal improvements. Who would walk away from that?
PS: RVR had guaranteed returns even under SGR

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snipermnoma
#29 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:37:54 PM
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Transcentury must have assessed the available options and deemed selling their stake in RVR was the best option. With SGR coming, it frees up Transcentury to get back into the rail business and this time they could do so as the lead and not as a minority shareholder.
Fyatu
#30 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2014 9:27:11 AM
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ohh mara 6bn.....oh 5bn...and now someone says its 3.27bn RINK
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mv_ufanisi
#31 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2014 12:53:44 PM
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Transcentury is a laggard. They seem unable to execute and their strategy doesn't seem to make much sense. Now they want to focus on energy and what if Tullow decides that they won't start oil production after all? Or the oil prospecting gets court up in a court battle?
dunkang
#32 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2014 1:00:20 PM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
Transcentury is a laggard. They seem unable to execute and their strategy doesn't seem to make much sense. Now they want to focus on energy and what if Tullow decides that they won't start oil production after all? Or the oil prospecting gets court up in a court battle?

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Boss, do you know what "ENERGY/POWER" means in TransCentury's context?

E.A Cable, TANELEC, Cableries du Congo, etc. Sio PETROLI au DIESEL!

Their business with Tullow falls under Civicon, which is "ENGINEERING"/Construction Division.
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selah
#33 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2014 1:06:57 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Totally misguided sale IMHO. Maybe TC doesn't have the financial stamina. The Energy sector inawenyewe. Whoever gets the rail cargo right will hit a jackpot. And the business will grow exponentially. Logically.
But I guess investors will cheer the 10-20% return.


I totally agree with you.TC sold its share bcoz the money needed to Make RVR a viable business is humongous....very few countries have the kind of locomotives we have most migrated to SGR long time ago...I hear Tanzania is about to complete their own.

I think Citadel have the financial muscle to invest without encumbrances that comes with partnership....TC was a burden to citadel and IMHO it is good riddance.


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#34 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 12:02:31 PM
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Now this counter is headed south...d'oh!
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dunkang
#35 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 12:04:17 PM
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georgegop wrote:
Now this counter is headed south...d'oh!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Kwani whats the news?? 26/-????? Anyone with News??
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jawgey
#36 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 12:08:38 PM
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dunkang wrote:
georgegop wrote:
Now this counter is headed south...d'oh!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Kwani whats the news?? 26/-????? Anyone with News??

The transaction has led to a 500m loss in their books.. Until they do something with the cash its all about a free fall!
Seeing is believing
kryptonite
#37 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 12:11:17 PM
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dunkang wrote:
georgegop wrote:
Now this counter is headed south...d'oh!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Kwani whats the news?? 26/-????? Anyone with News??


Maybe because it's been revealed they took a possible Ksh500m hit from the sale of their RVR stake to Citadel. Unfortunately today RINK provider, BD website, hasn't been updated.
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VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 1:04:55 PM
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jerry wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
What did they sell the 34% for? That's the million $ question...

Was Tranny under any pressure to sell?
NO
So, could they have sold at a price not favourable to them?
NO
Is Citadel Group just raising EGP8B (Approx. USD2.5B) for acquisitions (By 8th April 2014)?
YES
Do we really have to wait for the exact figures to know that Tranny have just KILLED IT!?
NO

It still doesn't answer the question. How much?

It's 6bn.
Wow! 6bn seems high. I thought I read $38mn from Citadel's press release.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
dunkang
#39 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 3:44:43 PM
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jawgey wrote:
dunkang wrote:
georgegop wrote:
Now this counter is headed south...d'oh!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Kwani whats the news?? 26/-????? Anyone with News??

The transaction has led to a 500m loss in their books.. Until they do something with the cash its all about a free fall!

RINKI IKO WAPI?????
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

jawgey
#40 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 4:29:31 PM
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dunkang wrote:
jawgey wrote:
dunkang wrote:
georgegop wrote:
Now this counter is headed south...d'oh!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Kwani whats the news?? 26/-????? Anyone with News??

The transaction has led to a 500m loss in their books.. Until they do something with the cash its all about a free fall!

RINKI IKO WAPI?????

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